2025 Draft Prospects Thread

[Surge]

Titans likely won’t want to pass on a QB with a new GM. The Raiders likely would be left to move to two.

But Deion wants his son #1, and they might get a godfather offer. Maybe ala Arizona trading back and up for Paris Johnson.

I'd demand the GODFATHER of GODFATHER deals or your son.... IS A BROWN. Lol

 

[CBBI]

How many QBs are there in the NFL where just having them on your team gives you a real chance to compete for the Super Bowl?

Like 3 or 4 at most?

How many QBs are there that - provided you have built the rest of the team up to a high quality level - you can win a lot of games with, get into the playoffs and potentially win the Super Bowl?

That list is way larger, and IMO could be legit 10 deep right now beyond the top 3-4 truly elite guys with other young guys who aren’t there yet, but could join that list over time as well.

I think there’s a very good chance that the guys at the top of this year’s draft could join that second list.

 

[Surge]

Deion has been (and done a great job) in control of Shadeurs football life since before high school. Basically been his coach his whole life.

What makes anyone think he'd turn down a chance to do it in the NFL?

 

[American Hero]

How many QBs are there in the NFL where just having them on your team gives you a real chance to compete for the Super Bowl?

Like 3 or 4 at most?

How many QBs are there that - provided you have built the rest of the team up to a high quality level - you can win a lot of games with, get into the playoffs and potentially win the Super Bowl?

That list is way larger, and IMO could be legit 10 deep right now beyond the top 3-4 truly elite guys with other young guys who aren’t there yet, but could join that list over time as well.

I think there’s a very good chance that the guys at the top of this year’s draft could join that second list.

Well let's build the team up first then because the quality isn't even close to good enough.

Slotting in Sanders as an average-ish QB seems about to be the worst thing you can do. Then you're probably picking around 12 or 13 and miss out on the top prospects. Maybe Berry thinks very highly of his drafting ability and his ability to get some of the best players in the draft in the 10-15 range but I doubt it. Short-sighted moves to try and save his job.

You're better off with a boom or bust guy like Ward because if he busts you're at least back at the top of the draft to get another QB.

I don't love Ward but I can see the logic in taking a chance on him, I'd be okay with it. Taking Sanders is stupid though. If he's at 2, trade down with a stupid team like the Raiders and re-coup some draft capital you threw away on Watson. This team badly needs an infusion of quality young talent via high end draft picks, not middle/late rounders that Berry is so fond of adding. But they seem unwilling to trade down and/or trade Ward/Garrett which is the only way of getting more high draft picks. Every thing else this team possesses has no trade value

 

[CBBI]

Well let's build the team up first then because the quality isn't even close to good enough.

Slotting in Sanders as an average-ish QB seems about to be the worst thing you can do. Then you're probably picking around 12 or 13 and miss out on the top prospects. Maybe Berry thinks very highly of his drafting ability and his ability to get some of the best players in the draft in the 10-15 range but I doubt it. Short-sighted moves to try and save his job.

You're better off with a boom or bust guy like Ward because if he busts you're at least back at the top of the draft to get another QB.

I don't love Ward but I can see the logic in taking a chance on him, I'd be okay with it. Taking Sanders is stupid though. If he's at 2, trade down with a stupid team like the Raiders and re-coup some draft capital you threw away on Watson. This team badly needs an infusion of quality young talent via high end draft picks, not middle/late rounders that Berry is so fond of adding. But they seem unwilling to trade down and/or trade Ward/Garrett which is the only way of getting more high draft picks. Every thing else this team possesses has no trade value

Building up the team first is just not really a viable option when you’re coming off a 3-14 season and everyone is on the hot seat.

And I believe, whether they’re right or they’re wrong, that the Browns will tell you that the roster 2-53 is not as bad as you think it is and they were just torpedoed by the worst collective quarterback play in the sport this past year.

 

[MattyIce8]

Quarterbacks that have gone to the Super Bowl since 2015:

1. Brady
2. Russell Wilson
3. Manning (noodle arm version)
4. Cam Newton
5. Matt Ryan
6. Nick Foles
7. Goff
8. Garappolo
9. Stafford
10. Burrow
11. Hurts
12. Purdy

Does this list surprise you?

Having the best of the best QB play certainly helps, but you can still get to the Super Bowl with guys like Purdy, Goff, Jimmy G, Matt Ryan. If Shedeur’s high-end outcome is that, I think it’s a no brainer at 2.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

68 grade on PFF good for 61st among qualified QBs

I think Ward is a very good player, I'm sure we could get a late 1st for him (unlike people who claim Newsome is a good player but has absolutely zero value on the trade marker). I'm saying he isn't a special player like Myles.

Congratulations. Ward isn't equal to someone who has the potential to replace Reggie White as the greatest defensive end in the history of football.

You're really going out on a limb there aren't ya champ.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Two things…

I did openly say those rankings and percentages were a bit half baked and not to be taken as any sort of gospel.

But anyway, I disagree with your premise that teams wouldn’t draft a guy early who’s ceiling is perceived to be around the 12th best QB range anyway.

Stafford is 12th in QBR this year
Love is 12th in QB rating this year
Hurts is 12th in EPA per play this year.

If you told NFL GMs “the guy you’re about to take in the top 2 has a reasonably good chance (I half baked said a 40% chance) of being Stafford, Love, Hurts caliber” - every single one of them would say that was absolutely fine and turn in the card.

It’s hard to take any of this seriously when you’re implying Hurts isn’t obviously a level up from the 12th best QB in the NFL

Of course they’d sign up for those odds at a Hurts caliber player. Hurts is obviously way higher than the 12th best qb, a single stat be damned

 

[Surge]

For all my "QB not matter what" people:

Deion gets the job with the Raiders, Tennessee takes Cam. What would you realistically want from them for #2 if the y came to us?

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

All off the field stuff aside, Sheduer looks like just the type of QB that Stefanski would fall in love with — tough as nails, accurate, willing to go through progressions, spreads the ball around to multiple receivers, mobile enough, takes care of the ball, and has good enough arm strength to challenge defenses vertically…

Like, if we’re talking about skillset translating from Day One to Stefanski then Sheduer is it..

I’m not a fan of Sheduer from an off the field stuff and believe his dad is going to be in his ear about avoiding Cleveland and if he does somehow end up here I don’t think it’ll be enthusiastically.. Personally, I’m tried about QBs who have brought the spotlight with them and made it about them and I see that happening with Sheduer..

On the flip side, all the more reason why I like Cam but also see a higher ceiling there as well.. Not sure he is as refined, and likely has a lower floor, but also think he has a higher upside and feel confident in betting on that..

Where are we getting "tough as nails" from?

I see someone who holds the ball, can't get it out quickly, can't throw with anticipation, and would be in the bottom quartile of starting NFL QB's when it comes to arm strength. Picking him as your QB absolutely limits you... and I don't think there are a lot of teams who want to sign up for that.

As far as "off-field" goes, I don't care about the Deion, self-promotion, yadda yadda. I'm on record saying the "he threw his team under the bus!" stuff is overblown.

But... I do think that in a league of grown-ass men, he's a little boy who's never left Daddy's teat. I don't think he has the leadership qualities to lead a locker room, and I don't think he's going to be respected when things start to go downhill.

 

[Lee]

Congratulations. Ward isn't equal to someone who has the potential to replace Reggie White as the greatest defensive end in the history of football.

You're really going out on a limb there aren't ya champ.

My hot take is Reggie is the GOAT defensive player and Taylor is 2nd.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

It’s hard to take any of this seriously when you’re implying Hurts isn’t obviously a level up from the 12th best QB in the NFL

Of course they’d sign up for those odds at a Hurts caliber player. Hurts is obviously way higher than the 12th best qb, a single stat be damned

I'm lower on Jalen Hurts than most.

I have Brock Purdy higher than him, which many would think is preposterous.

I still have Hurts inside the top 10.

 

[American Hero]

Building up the team first is just not really a viable option when you’re coming off a 3-14 season and everyone is on the hot seat.

And I believe, whether they’re right or they’re wrong, that the Browns will tell you that the roster 2-53 is not as bad as you think it is and they were just torpedoed by the worst collective quarterback play in the sport this past year.

Jameis didnt play much worse than Flacco last year based on metrics like QBR and the team went 2-5 with him. The roster is not good. Is it 3-14 bad? Probably not. But it's not good either. And it's old and lacks young talent. Where is an old roster that is mediocre going to go?

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

My hot take is Reggie is the GOAT defensive player and Taylor is 2nd.

I don't think that's a hot take at all.

In terms of all-time front seven players, it's a triumvirate of Reggie, LT and Aaron Donald.

 

[CBBI]

It’s hard to take any of this seriously when you’re implying Hurts isn’t obviously a level up from the 12th best QB in the NFL

Of course they’d sign up for those odds at a Hurts caliber player. Hurts is obviously way higher than the 12th best qb, a single stat be damned

I think the difference between which QB is the 7th best and which one is the 12th is basically irrelevant though.

They're all on the same tier at that point.

There's the elite top tier of QBs which IMO is only Mahomes, Allen, Jackson and Burrow.

Then there's like 10-12 more guys who are all basically on the same tier and where they ultimately fall between 5-15 is very subjective. In no order - Goff, Daniels, Love, Purdy, Hurts, Herbert, Stafford, Mayfield, Darnold (this year at least), Tagovailoa, Stroud - if you have a good team around any of those guys, they're all good enough that you can make the playoffs and potentiallly win playoff games.