2025 Draft Prospects Thread

[Los216]

At least if they work to fill holes in the roster outside of QB, the QB position would be more attractive to a FA, trade, or drafted QB next season or the season after that.

Jimmy will probably want a premier product on the field when the new stadium opens. So keep that in the back of your mind.

I just don't see the upside in invested premium assets into a QB that isn't a consensus hit with the current assets we have invested in our current QB room.

A 2nd round QB is a wasted invested next season. A 1st round QB that isn't Sanders or Ward is a wasted investment.

Why double down on assets in the QB room and potentially have the new asset used on a QB next year sit on the bench when you have holes at PREMIUM positions like LT and EDGE and 3 top 65 draft picks?

We can argue about if Deshaun will be here next season or not but the fact of the matter is that his presence will be felt on the team by either being here and playing or his contract complicating building the team out. That's why the most likely outcome is that he is here and playing. Which makes investing a PREMIUM asset in a QB next season a wasted asset unless that QB is playing from day one and is a consensus hit like Sanders or Ward.

It makes much more sense to draft a LT and an EDGE with our first two picks because our cap will still be what it is, but now we have premium assets invested in what we expect to be high quality performing players at premium positions. So not only did will fill two huge holes, we did it at low cost salary wise, got younger, and we didn't have to compromise any other areas of the team like we would if we cut Deshaun or let him sit on the bench with guaranteed money.

Also, the earliest that a new stadium would be open is 5 years from now. Our best players may not even still be in the league by then.

 

[Los216]

I believe that drafting a QB in the 1st round next year is an indication that they are rebuilding and blowing it up. Now, I don't think that this is what they're going to do but that's just how I see it.

If you take a QB in the 1st round in 2025 then he's your week 1 starter, but a rookie QB dropped onto this team as is will not lead to instant success and will only further complicate addressing other issues that need to be addressed.

I think fans are letting their personal frustration get in the way of NFL business. NFL business says that we ain't cutting Deshaun Watson and we ain't ignoring him next season either. It's a bed that we made and even though people want to throw it out, it ain't going anywhere next year bruhs.

So, eat it. Get some high quality players at premium positions in the draft. Address some spots on the margins like FS with Thornhill, LB with JOK's future and the misfits around him, and build the trenches.

Seriously, we need to be building the trenches of this team. AB loves him a CB in the draft and he loves him some FA DB's but we really need to invest heavily in the trenches because to be completely honest, that's been the weakest area on the team the last two seasons. The inconsistent play on the O-Line as well as dealing with players who are constantly unavailable due to injury has hurt us for two seasons. The total lack of truly impactful players not named Myles Garrett on the D-Line has also been a big weakness on the team.

We are bad in the trenches right now. We can talk about QB play all day but in the last two seasons, we have had better QB play than the performance in the trenches.

Our O-Line is either aging, expensive, and hurt. We need some youth at low cost. That's where the draft comes in handy. Get a LT and let him stay there. Figure out what to do at Guard with Bitonio and Teller, and address Conklin's future.

We need a young EDGE rusher on the line. Get of the veteran by committee train and draft a guy in the top 50. Less expensive and more reliable than 30+ year old veterans that have made minimal impact paying opposite of Myles.

I'm less bullish on a WR with one of our first two picks because of what we already have invested in the position. We weren't going to pay an older WR like Cooper so I don't see us going hard at an expensive veteran. Tillman isn't a slot WR and even if you don't think Jeudy is a true #1, he's a #2 who could potentially play in the slot if you acquire a true #1 and have Tillman as the Y. I just think that if we're drafting a WR with one of our first two picks in 2025, then that WR has to be a #1. I could definitely see them adding a WR and letting Moore go but that's not something that requires a 1st or 2nd round pick in 2025.

 

[American Hero]

That's not how this works. We won 11 games last year. In 2 of KS 4 seasons we've had double digit wins and made the playoffs in both of those seasons. The years we missed it we won 7 and 8 games.

Teams don't see that and rebuild. Especially not when you have a top 5 highest paid roster. You have to rise that shit out.

Fill the holes outside of the QB spot and be competitive.

They've won a total of 1 playoff game under Stefanski 5 years ago. They're not contenders and never have been. Even at the beginning of the season they had like the 20th best SB odds. The experts never thought this was a contender either. What do you think their Vegas SB odds will be next.off season?

The fact you're sighting how overpaid this roster is and all the dead cap they have is more reason to rebuild. This team isn't even close to a contender. The window has closed. Old, overpaid, roster. All the core guys are aging out of their prime and/or suffering devastating injuries.

Whatever the Haslams and this FO want to do, the Browns should do the opposite because they are complete shit. They goofed the trade deadline hard this year, didn't trade the guys will real value. These absolute clowns do want to run it back next year. I hope they do run Watson back out. They'll be shit again and the city will be even more against the Haslams.

 

[Los216]

They've won a total of 1 playoff game under Stefanski 5 years ago. They're not contenders and never have been. Even at the beginning of the season they had like the 20th best SB odds. The experts never thought this was a contender either. What do you think their Vegas SB odds will be next.off season?

The fact you're sighting how overpaid this roster is and all the dead cap they have is more reason to rebuild. This team isn't even close to a contender. The window has closed. Old, overpaid, roster. All the core guys are aging out of their prime and/or suffering devastating injuries.

Whatever the Haslams and this FO want to do, the Browns should do the opposite because they are complete shit. They goofed the trade deadline hard this year, didn't trade the guys will real value. These absolute clowns do want to run it back next year. I hope they do run Watson back out. They'll be shit again and the city will be even more against the Haslams.

Are the Ravens and Bengals contenders? Steelers?

 

[CBBI]

That's not how this works. We won 11 games last year. In 2 of KS 4 seasons we've had double digit wins and made the playoffs in both of those seasons. The years we missed it we won 7 and 8 games.

Teams don't see that and rebuild. Especially not when you have a top 5 highest paid roster. You have to rise that shit out.

Fill the holes outside of the QB spot and be competitive.

My brother…

They’re going 2-15 or 3-14 THIS season.

That should supersede anything from the previous four seasons, right?

 

[Los216]

My brother…

They’re going 2-15 or 3-14 THIS season.

That should supersede anything from the previous four seasons, right?

No. The regime is the same. The same HC and GM that built this version of the team starting in 2020 is still here and is expected to be here next season. We just extended them both in June. They have won at least 7 games in all 4 seasons they've been here. A multitude of reasons has led to 2-8 so far and to be fair, we could finish with 5-6 wins this year. I think we win tonight, on MNF against DEN, and the finale against BAL who will probably be resting guys that week. That's 5 wins.

This reminds me a little of SF with Shanny and John Lynch after they went 4-12 after Jimmy G went out for the season. They didn't go crazy on the roster and blow it up. I don't think we're in for wholesale changes and I do thin that KS and AB have shown enough in their 4 years to survive this season.

If they haven't then the only option is to blow the whole thing up and I'm sorry but I do not think a blowup is in store after extending KS and AB 6 months ago.

 

[Los216]

Are y'all under the impression that we are year to year with KS and AB even AFTER we just signed them to extensions?

If we would've had this same season last season and finished with 2-3 wins, then maybe KS and AB wouldn't have been retained and extended and we'd be having a different conversation today.

But we won 11 games last year and KS and AB were extended so.............

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Are y'all under the impression that we are year to year with KS and AB even AFTER we just signed them to extensions?

If we would've had this same season last season and finished with 2-3 wins, then maybe KS and AB wouldn't have been retained and extended and we'd be having a different conversation today.

But we won 11 games last year and KS and AB were extended so.............

Everything in the NFL is year to year.

 

[Los216]

Everything in the NFL is year to year.

Agreed, but with context.

 

[Lee]

This entire board minus like 2 guys who I’m also convinced just liked the attention being a counter indicator brought them absolutely loathed Josh Allen as a prospect

That convinced me more than anything to just be open minded with whatever QBs we draft because I in fact know jack shit

I hated Josh Allen. I also thought Ryan Leaf over Manning. As most know, told Brees to his face he wouldnt be that good.

I dont think even GM's really know, I mean every team in the league passed on Brady 5 or 6 times including New England themselves. Stating your draft opinion like fact is just arrogant and wrong.

 

[American Hero]

No. The regime is the same. The same HC and GM that built this version of the team starting in 2020 is still here and is expected to be here next season. We just extended them both in June. They have won at least 7 games in all 4 seasons they've been here. A multitude of reasons has led to 2-8 so far and to be fair, we could finish with 5-6 wins this year. I think we win tonight, on MNF against DEN, and the finale against BAL who will probably be resting guys that week. That's 5 wins.

This reminds me a little of SF with Shanny and John Lynch after they went 4-12 after Jimmy G went out for the season. They didn't go crazy on the roster and blow it up. I don't think we're in for wholesale changes and I do thin that KS and AB have shown enough in their 4 years to survive this season.

If they haven't then the only option is to blow the whole thing up and I'm sorry but I do not think a blowup is in store after extending KS and AB 6 months ago.

What does this team have in common with that 49ers team? That team was still in the process of rebuilding under Kyle and Lynch. It was both of their second seasons. What does that situation have to do with this one?

This regime hasn't one crap. They've won a total of one playoff game their entire tenure and now they're going to finish as one of the worst teams in the league. I'll take your 5/6 win prediction with a gigantic grain of salt because you've been wrong on just about everything Browns prediction you've made regarding the quality of the team

 

[Los216]

What does this team have in common with that 49ers team? That team was still in the process of rebuilding under Kyle and Lynch. It was both of their second seasons. What does that situation have to do with this one?

This regime hasn't one crap. They've won a total of one playoff game their entire tenure and now they're going to finish as one of the worst teams in the league. I'll take your 5/6 win prediction with a gigantic grain of salt because you've been wrong on just about everything Browns prediction you've made regarding the quality of the team

KC, SF, and PHI, are the only teams that have won crap in the last 5 years if that's what you're saying.

 

[Los216]

Could be a sign that Deion is staying in COL which would eliminate any type of package deal scenarios with Shedeur. This does not mean that Deion will not heavily influence where Shedeur plays though.

 

[Los216]

So let's say that Shedeur is not an option for US which is looking like a forgone conclusion. Is Cam Ward worth sitting there and taking in the top 5?

That's a hard ass sell for me. Is investing a 2nd round pick or even a 1st round pick in Milroe with the intent to sit him for a year while we try and remain competitive worth burning an asset for?

If you're drafting Cam Ward with a 1st then he has to be your week 1 starter. I don't think he's week 1 starter ready to be dropped onto a team trying to remain competitive.

What is the argument to drafting Milroe where he is projected to be drafted if you're intent is to sit him? He's not a top end QB prospect or at least he's not a projected, sure fire top 5 pick of a QB. There will be QB's in 2026 who you can draft in Milroe's range who will project to be better right? There's also the potential to collect assets this year to move up in 2026 in what is projected to be a better QB class.

And before you start, no this is not an argument for Deshaun Watson. I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about how the QB position in this 2025 draft should be valued. I just don't see a scenario where we take one high unless it's a reach.

 

[American Hero]

Milroe is not a 2nd round pick. He's probably a top 10 pick. Probably the guy I would take if I were the Browns. Especially if you could trade down and still grab him