23 GM Thread

[sportscoach]

The Reds wouldn't..

Neither should the Guardians..

While getting Petty would be a nice add (MOR SP / Back of the Pen, ceiling) and well conceived as part of this deal.... The rest of it offers more questions than solutions.. Bradish's delivery looks like a lot of moving parts and a lot of effort.. Guys like him almost always end up losing control or having to have ligament surgery.. The two middle infielders being given the opportunity to move other positions says the deal is not well thought out.. The biggest problem with this deal is the FAILURE to address the catching situation if one or both of Basallo and/or Tanner are excluded...

David Fry isn't the answer.. (neither is Zunino & Lavas.. as stated in the spring training) Catching is the key to the Guardians near future.. This deal ignores that desperate need.. Easy pass..

See, I don't think the deal ignores it as much as you think...

Yes, we need catching and Bradish, is just an MLB ready arm, which we could see if we could get someone else in place and the Petty, was just moving Straw/Freeman so it doesn't have to be him. We could do a couple separate moves... We just need to move Straw, Freeman, Rosario for the deal to 100% work the way I wished it too...

Norby is a 2B who already plays some SS, LF, RF so doing an utility role wouldn't be a bad idea, so he wouldn't be doing new positions really... Westburg would be, but he has been playing OF this season with Baltimore. He adds the 20+ HR element we have needed from the right side...

So would you take a lesser pitching prospect and one of the catchers back instead of Bradish?

If we did Bieber for Westburg, Norby, Haskins, an SP prospect like a Johnson/Povich and Basallo, would that be a better deal for you in a sense?

Like I said, we could figure out a way to trade Straw, Freeman, Rosario, while trading prospects for a C?

 

[CDAV45]

The Reds wouldn't..

Neither should the Guardians..

While getting Petty would be a nice add (MOR SP / Back of the Pen, ceiling) and well conceived as part of this deal.... The rest of it offers more questions than solutions.. Bradish's delivery looks like a lot of moving parts and a lot of effort.. Guys like him almost always end up losing control or having to have ligament surgery.. The two middle infielders being given the opportunity to move other positions says the deal is not well thought out.. The biggest problem with this deal is the FAILURE to address the catching situation if one or both of Basallo and/or Tanner are excluded...

David Fry isn't the answer.. (neither is Zunino & Lavas.. as stated in the spring training) Catching is the key to the Guardians near future.. This deal ignores that desperate need.. Easy pass..

We can agree to disagree as I don't expect anyone to just follow what I say, but Bradish is on the verge of becoming a very good ML SP. If nothing else the upside is there and he's already proven he can pitch extremely effectively even if it's been inconsistent. So for me, getting Bradish, Westburg and Norby is a pretty damn good return as both Westburg and Norby are good RH hitters with some serious pop. Both are good athletes with good speed and are in the process or already have transitioned to OF play.

I'm not even considering the Straw and Freeman for Petty as I don't see the Reds agreeing to that, but admittedly I could be wrong.

 

[macbdog]

SP G. Stone
SP Frasso
LF/1B/Util M. Busch (T. Freeman with power)
C Y. Fernandez

That's 2 mid top 100 prospects (plug and play) ready for MLB (Stone/Busch), a performing mid rd college SP (Frasso, 24yo in AA) and a high end lotto ticket in C Fernandez (20yo in A+, strong track record)

I'm already researching flights for Bieber to help out the FO get him there. Should be go Southwest or Frontier?

 

[CDAV45]

See, I don't think the deal ignores it as much as you think...

Yes, we need catching and Bradish, is just an MLB ready arm, which we could see if we could get someone else in place and the Petty, was just moving Straw/Freeman so it doesn't have to be him. We could do a couple separate moves... We just need to move Straw, Freeman, Rosario for the deal to 100% work the way I wished it too...

Norby is a 2B who already plays some SS, LF, RF so doing an utility role wouldn't be a bad idea, so he wouldn't be doing new positions really... Westburg would be, but he has been playing OF this season with Baltimore. He adds the 20+ HR element we have needed from the right side...

So would you take a lesser pitching prospect and one of the catchers back instead of Bradish?

If we did Bieber for Westburg, Norby, Haskins, an SP prospect like a Johnson/Povich and Basallo, would that be a better deal for you in a sense?

Like I said, we could figure out a way to trade Straw, Freeman, Rosario, while trading prospects for a C?

No, the deal with Baltimore is good as it is. If they want to send Mayo or Cowser instead of Norby then fine, but they probably wouldn't. Where the deal would probably hit a snag is with Baltimore's reluctance to deal Bradish. Would they prefer to send Hall? I don't know, but I would be ok with that too. It would be nice to squeeze Johnson out of them as well.

We don't need low level catching. They just drafted 3 catchers in the international draft last year and Baltimore doesn't have any in the upper levels worth getting IMO. Bo needs his opportunity and finding a good defensive backup obviously isn't difficult. The whole C thing is blown out of proportion in my view. Don't get me wrong, if you can get a good one in the upper levels then do it, but otherwise just let it play out. I still think a deal with the Angels for Quero is the way to go, but that's another discussion.

Why would the Reds want either Straw or Freeman? Neither are a fit for that organization as Straw is garbage with a bat in his hand and Freeman would be redundant for them.

 

[Gson]

See, I don't think the deal ignores it as much as you think...

Yes, we need catching and Bradish, is just an MLB ready arm, which we could see if we could get someone else in place and the Petty, was just moving Straw/Freeman so it doesn't have to be him. We could do a couple separate moves... We just need to move Straw, Freeman, Rosario for the deal to 100% work the way I wished it too...

Norby is a 2B who already plays some SS, LF, RF so doing an utility role wouldn't be a bad idea, so he wouldn't be doing new positions really... Westburg would be, but he has been playing OF this season with Baltimore. He adds the 20+ HR element we have needed from the right side...

So would you take a lesser pitching prospect and one of the catchers back instead of Bradish?

If we did Bieber for Westburg, Norby, Haskins, an SP prospect like a Johnson/Povich and Basallo, would that be a better deal for you in a sense?

Like I said, we could figure out a way to trade Straw, Freeman, Rosario, while trading prospects for a C?

It just seems that this forum agrees the catching situation is the most deficient, yet trades are proposed that address anything but.. It's more than an obsession at this point..

The "on the verge of" consideration for Bradish might be absolutely correct.. but that windup/effort is just scary as f^&k... Basallo coming back works for me.. So does Tanner from the Reds (that guy has a great arm and ability to command the game from behind the dish)...

As far as Straw/Rosario being included in any deal.. I offer no opinion either way.. The reasoning is both of these guys contribute positively and negatively.. They're both veterans.. coach isn't wrong about wanting and/or needing some vets to lead the way.. he just misses the target w/r to what that is.. [I'm surprised he didn't suggest Aaron Hicks as a MiLB pick up.. or he did and I missed it..] If and until guys are given the full backing of Tito (Freeman/Arias/Brennan/Others).. the guys starting now give the Guardians the best chance to win now.. Make no mistake.. the "window of contention" argument is valid.. so is the win today and worry about tomorrow approach...

 

[Gson]

We don't need low level catching. They just drafted 3 catchers in the international draft last year and Baltimore doesn't have any in the upper levels worth getting IMO. Bo needs his opportunity and finding a good defensive backup obviously isn't difficult. The whole C thing is blown out of proportion in my view.

Disagree with this..

 

[CDAV45]

It just seems that this forum agrees the catching situation is the most deficient, yet trades are proposed that address anything but.. It's more than an obsession at this point..

The "on the verge of" consideration for Bradish might be absolutely correct.. but that windup/effort is just scary as f^&k... Basallo coming back works for me.. So does Tanner from the Reds (that guy has a great arm and ability to command the game from behind the dish)...

As far as Straw/Rosario being included in any deal.. I offer no opinion either way.. The reasoning is both of these guys contribute positively and negatively.. They're both veterans.. coach isn't wrong about wanting and/or needing some vets to lead the way.. he just misses the target w/r to what that is.. [I'm surprised he didn't suggest Aaron Hicks as a MiLB pick up.. or he did and I missed it..] If and until guys are given the full backing of Tito (Freeman/Arias/Brennan/Others).. the guys starting now give the Guardians the best chance to win now.. Make no mistake.. the "window of contention" argument is valid.. so is the win today and worry about tomorrow approach...

This guy(me) doesn't agree that the catching situation is the most deficient. I wanted Naylor up from the get go. He's our best hope until he isn't and I just don't envision him flopping.

Bradish's delivery is simple and clean. He's straight to the plate without a lot of fall off and a short, quick arm action. There's nothing scary about it at all.

 

[sportscoach]

It just seems that this forum agrees the catching situation is the most deficient, yet trades are proposed that address anything but.. It's more than an obsession at this point..

The "on the verge of" consideration for Bradish might be absolutely correct.. but that windup/effort is just scary as f^&k... Basallo coming back works for me.. So does Tanner from the Reds (that guy has a great arm and ability to command the game from behind the dish)...

As far as Straw/Rosario being included in any deal.. I offer no opinion either way.. The reasoning is both of these guys contribute positively and negatively.. They're both veterans.. coach isn't wrong about wanting and/or needing some vets to lead the way.. he just misses the target w/r to what that is.. [I'm surprised he didn't suggest Aaron Hicks as a MiLB pick up.. or he did and I missed it..] If and until guys are given the full backing of Tito (Freeman/Arias/Brennan/Others).. the guys starting now give the Guardians the best chance to win now.. Make no mistake.. the "window of contention" argument is valid.. so is the win today and worry about tomorrow approach...

I feel like if we trade Bieber, we may as well move some money off the books as well as get younger...

@CDAV45

I just choose a team really for Straw/Freeman, but I feel like, with the deal I had in place, we needed to move both of them to make it work right...

It's Westburg and Haskins that are the main 2 I want back in my mind especially if we move Straw...

 

[MadThinker88]

International Draft???
That is still a work in progress (with many hurdles still remaining).

International free agent makes more sense but those players have a very long road to reach the majors..

 

[sportscoach]

International Draft???
That is still a work in progress (with many hurdles still remaining).

International free agent makes more sense but those players have a very long road to reach the majors..

I knew what he meant and we have been signing a fair amount of catchers that way, plus we got one in the draft...

I'd like to find a way to get another upper minors catcher though personally...

 

[CDAV45]

International Draft???
That is still a work in progress (with many hurdles still remaining).

International free agent makes more sense but those players have a very long road to reach the majors..

You knew what I meant.

 

[sportscoach]

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Matt Beaty was DFA'D, do we put a claim on him and DFA Palacios? Beaty has been at AAA, so he still has the option this season...

 

[Gson]

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Matt Beaty was DFA'D, do we put a claim on him and DFA Palacios? Beaty has been at AAA, so he still has the option this season...

no

 

[MadThinker88]

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Hard pass.
This org has to find a 40 man spot this weekend as it activates TMac from the 60 day IL.
A few weeks after that is Morris being activated. Let’s not muddy the situation unnecessarily.

 

[sportscoach]

Hard pass.
This org has to find a 40 man spot this weekend as it activates TMac from the 60 day IL.
A few weeks after that is Morris being activated. Let’s not muddy the situation unnecessarily.

I so do this type of stuff when I play OOTP, but I guess it's an a hole thing to really do in real life, maybe? Lol