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23 Offseason GM Thread

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..then you would know that Nick Gonzales followed by Termarr Johnson would be the next up at that spot..

do some research...

Termarr was just drafted... He's not anywhere near lol We have way more MIF than they do, even without Rocchio lol
 
Yes, because he's a good (and currently undervalued) hitter. College, minors, AFL, dude has a 400+ OBP, it's a trend.

Doesn't need rostered until 2024. We went from having no OF to too much OF options in one year, who the hell knows what that landscape looks like after the next 2 seasons. Zavala is a talent, you add talent. That's it. I also like the other 3 names, especially Church as near ready RP option. I'd do the deal for Zavala and one of the P, but looking at the SP cost, we can and should ask for more. None of those guys is considered a top 5 or even top 10 prospect in the TEX system
Zavala was one of the best/elite hitters in his draft class.. The guy can flat out hit.. no bout a doubt it..
 
Yes, because he's a good (and currently undervalued) hitter. College, minors, AFL, dude has a 400+ OBP, it's a trend.

Doesn't need rostered until 2024. We went from having no OF to too much OF options in one year, who the hell knows what that landscape looks like after the next 2 seasons. Zavala is a talent, you add talent. That's it. I also like the other 3 names, especially Church as near ready RP option. I'd do the deal for Zavala and one of the P, but looking at the SP cost, we can and should ask for more. None of those guys is considered a top 5 or even top 10 prospect in the TEX system

I'm not against adding talent, but I was told, we aren't even going to look at talent I wanted to add cause he is a left handed OF lol

Truthfully I am always acquire as much talent as possible and if we got to much, trade it for talent that isn't Rule 5 or upgrade current talent where your talent pool is lacking. I just don't know if we are going to be able to swing a deal for a player, that on paper, he got to many of positionally/hitting wise (with hitting from the left side).

Edit... What do you think of Jared Triolo... He's blocked in Pittsburgh right now, I didn't know if he would be worth grabbing (especially since BTV has his value super low).
 
Could Eric Haase be a sleeper for C? He checks off the ability to handle a staff which is the main focus for this organization when looking at C. He certainly adds some power and has some versatility to play OF too. I don't know if Detroit would come off of him, but if they would he may be an unexpected target.
 
Edit... What do you think of Jared Triolo... He's blocked in Pittsburgh right now, I didn't know if he would be worth grabbing (especially since BTV has his value super low).

Pass -- on the 40 already...just was in AA last year...has played 38 games in OF in 5 yrs of college and minors Only upside versus what we have is righty bat. Would like the 3B/OF righty though but should be off 40 if not in AAA already to help this year.
 
Pass -- on the 40 already...just was in AA last year...has played 38 games in OF in 5 yrs of college and minors Only upside versus what we have is righty bat. Would like the 3B/OF righty though but should be off 40 if not in AAA already to help this year.

Brito is even farther away, so they don't care exactly where they are, they look at the upside... They kind of had to add him to the 40 mam since he had a solid 22 season as a player. He's starting the season at AAA...

I was asking how he was as a player/potential as a player. I was thinking if we got him, we move someone we don't need for him...
 
Wasn't a huge Triolo fan out of the draft, but his performance the past 2 years is interesting. Decent prospect and currently undervalued as a 40 FV with a plus 3B glove. Can move around too apparently, but 3B is kinda blocked. Interesting RH Util option though. Don't see how we get him though?

Edit: if we can get him for Miller or Palacios (plus throw in Tolentino), sure, why not.

That said, I'd rather see us sign David MacKinnon as NRI, 1B only but RH bat in his prime that could surprise
 
Brito is even farther away, so they don't care exactly where they are, they look at the upside... They kind of had to add him to the 40 mam since he had a solid 22 season as a player. He's starting the season at AAA...

I was asking how he was as a player/potential as a player. I was thinking if we got him, we move someone we don't need for him...

Fine player but I am always the contrarian. Not, a big fan of the Brito or Culver moves because as you alluded to they are for talent over roster fit. Talent acquisition is good for teams like Pitt (so do they care if they have XX OFs/SS/3B)? They shouln't care due to where they are (so why trade now). But, we should be in the molding phase. How can we set up for a 24/25/26 run. Triolo would be blocked by Ramirez at his natural position 3B and blocked by Arias/Rocchio at SS. Will he be an upgrade over Miller? Probably. Yet, is he an upgrade over Arias or Freeman? He can play OF but we got guys who can do that was well if given the opportunity.

In the end, I get Brito and Culver if they were just trying to get talent to be flexible trading later in a week or two timeframe before 40-man Rule 5 set date. But, in the end, we need to see how this team is now molded

For me, the holes we have in this organization are
3B in 3-4 year when Ramirez needs more days off at DH -- assume Arias/Freeman and others can do it for ST 1-2 days off a week
RH OF/1B to play role with Noel (one should make it)
Catcher role at AA level this year (and someone at MLB level w Naylor w Lava at AAA)
Flame throwing reliever at A levels to take over for Stephan/Kar/Hedges when they hit FA level

And, yes we do have players, not long for Cleveland -- Miller, Benson, Gaddis, Pilk, Rosario, Plesac, Civale (and most of these players may not be on 2024 roster for likes of Burns, Allen, Espino, Hankins, .....) But, who would be removed this year for a 40-man spot? I think we got too many who cannot start already on 40 than to try to hide a few more. You need Miller, Palacios, Benson and Pilk as they are day 1 AAA back-ups till mid-season when Rocchio, Tena, Valera, Lavastida, Allens are about ready. You are assuming we are already trading Tena, Curry, Allen, Rocchios for catcher or 1B but what are the odds of that happening (less than 50% for me - at least that clears up more than 1 space -- the minor trades).
 
Fine player but I am always the contrarian. Not, a big fan of the Brito or Culver moves because as you alluded to they are for talent over roster fit. Talent acquisition is good for teams like Pitt (so do they care if they have XX OFs/SS/3B)? They shouln't care due to where they are (so why trade now). But, we should be in the molding phase. How can we set up for a 24/25/26 run. Triolo would be blocked by Ramirez at his natural position 3B and blocked by Arias/Rocchio at SS. Will he be an upgrade over Miller? Probably. Yet, is he an upgrade over Arias or Freeman? He can play OF but we got guys who can do that was well if given the opportunity.

In the end, I get Brito and Culver if they were just trying to get talent to be flexible trading later in a week or two timeframe before 40-man Rule 5 set date. But, in the end, we need to see how this team is now molded

For me, the holes we have in this organization are
3B in 3-4 year when Ramirez needs more days off at DH -- assume Arias/Freeman and others can do it for ST 1-2 days off a week
RH OF/1B to play role with Noel (one should make it)
Catcher role at AA level this year (and someone at MLB level w Naylor w Lava at AAA)
Flame throwing reliever at A levels to take over for Stephan/Kar/Hedges when they hit FA level

And, yes we do have players, not long for Cleveland -- Miller, Benson, Gaddis, Pilk, Rosario, Plesac, Civale (and most of these players may not be on 2024 roster for likes of Burns, Allen, Espino, Hankins, .....) But, who would be removed this year for a 40-man spot? I think we got too many who cannot start already on 40 than to try to hide a few more. You need Miller, Palacios, Benson and Pilk as they are day 1 AAA back-ups till mid-season when Rocchio, Tena, Valera, Lavastida, Allens are about ready. You are assuming we are already trading Tena, Curry, Allen, Rocchios for catcher or 1B but what are the odds of that happening (less than 50% for me - at least that clears up more than 1 space -- the minor trades).

See I am Talent over roster fit since most position players can learn to play multiple positions... I mean I could play anywhere in the INF and C without any problems. I was throwing in the low 80s off the mound when I was 14 and I could throw to first or 2B from catcher without standing up... (I have Ehlers Danlos though, which I didn't know I did at the time, so injuries wrecked me hard. I deal with my joints dislocating often)

I'm looking at, if I make a move for Triolo it's for Palacios, who has a good bat, but no position and we have a lot of left handed contact based hitters. I'd rather find a RH contact based hitter who could play a bunch of positions. I am thinking with Rosario gone as well, Arias/Freeman, plus Gimenez is your INF... Freeman I actually don't like as an utility guy since I don't like his work at 3B and Miller hasn't shown he is great at it either. I think Triolo in 24, could be an upgrade over Miller... plus if he can play 1B, SS, 3B and some OF, it would give him plenty of ABs... That's kind of my logic and I think we can get Triolo for Palacios plus an arm... So it really doesn't hurt us in my mind...
 
See I am Talent over roster fit since most position players can learn to play multiple positions... I mean I could play anywhere in the INF and C without any problems. I was throwing in the low 80s off the mound when I was 14 and I could throw to first or 2B from catcher without standing up... (I have Ehlers Danlos though, which I didn't know I did at the time, so injuries wrecked me hard. I deal with my joints dislocating often)

I'm looking at, if I make a move for Triolo it's for Palacios, who has a good bat, but no position and we have a lot of left handed contact based hitters. I'd rather find a RH contact based hitter who could play a bunch of positions. I am thinking with Rosario gone as well, Arias/Freeman, plus Gimenez is your INF... Freeman I actually don't like as an utility guy since I don't like his work at 3B and Miller hasn't shown he is great at it either. I think Triolo in 24, could be an upgrade over Miller... plus if he can play 1B, SS, 3B and some OF, it would give him plenty of ABs... That's kind of my logic and I think we can get Triolo for Palacios plus an arm... So it really doesn't hurt us in my mind...

I am working up something that I may post later. But, I don't really see the difference in Triolo and Tena. I actually like Tena more because he is natural SS who can be moved to play any positions as you refer to. Triolo may be more MLB ready (due to age alone) but both he and Tena would be at AAA this year. Yet, for now both Miller and Palacios have MLB roles (Miller more so if Rosario is traded). Yet, we only have 6 OFs till mid-season. Kwan, Straw, Oscar, Brennan, Benson and Palacios. Thus, until mid-seaon or 2024 for Valera, Palacios is your back-up in AAA use value is developing Valera the right way when injuries happen (or Benson flames out). Arias can play OF, but if Rosario is traded, he is SS/super-utility till then. And, we can just as easily move Tena and/or Freeman to that super utility role and let Arias do SS or main infield utility role (over miller) - mold our roster from within.

For me, Tena is just as if not more valuable long-term with bat even with a higher K rate as he is 3 years younger and improved in 2nd half in AAA (got K rate to 23% vs Triolo's 20% but with more HR too ... 11 just in 2nd half to Triolo's 9 all year (and one has already filled out). For me, a guy who just will be getting out of college last year vs Triolo's who has been out since 2019 means a significant stat adjustment for guys at the same level.
 
See I am Talent over roster fit since most position players can learn to play multiple positions... I mean I could play anywhere in the INF and C without any problems. I was throwing in the low 80s off the mound when I was 14 and I could throw to first or 2B from catcher without standing up... (I have Ehlers Danlos though, which I didn't know I did at the time, so injuries wrecked me hard. I deal with my joints dislocating often)

I'm looking at, if I make a move for Triolo it's for Palacios, who has a good bat, but no position and we have a lot of left handed contact based hitters. I'd rather find a RH contact based hitter who could play a bunch of positions. I am thinking with Rosario gone as well, Arias/Freeman, plus Gimenez is your INF... Freeman I actually don't like as an utility guy since I don't like his work at 3B and Miller hasn't shown he is great at it either. I think Triolo in 24, could be an upgrade over Miller... plus if he can play 1B, SS, 3B and some OF, it would give him plenty of ABs... That's kind of my logic and I think we can get Triolo for Palacios plus an arm... So it really doesn't hurt us in my mind...
You've been saying this for a couple of yrs now and where in the hell are they? It started with the idea that MIFers could convert and what do we have now other than a plethora of MIFers? This a theory that so far has shown not to be an effective one. I didn't like it to begin with and I still don't because it's BS.
 
You've been saying this for a couple of yrs now and where in the hell are they? It started with the idea that MIFers could convert and what do we have now other than a plethora of MIFers? This a theory that so far has shown not to be an effective one. I didn't like it to begin with and I still don't because it's BS.

We did move guys to the OF or from their original positions (I mean JRam didn't play 3B until after he made the bigs)... The weird part is they have hit on a lot of prospects via drafting and/or trade and because of that, they really didn't have to move guys positions as much. They acquired Straw, then guys like Kwan, Brennan etc actually developed. All our MIFs can play 2B/SS/3B... Naylor played some OF, Benson and Arias are adding other positions. Miller has been trying to add other positions... Tell me who on this current roster, outside of Bo Naylor, hasn't play 2-3 different positions since they been with the team? I think it's only OGonz, but he I believe has played some LF... Naylor has played 1B, LF/RF, Arias all INF and LF, etc... In my mind, Prospects need to know multiple positions and then as the opportunities open up they find themselves an utility role or an everyday role in one of them. They have been doing just that and Kwan took LF cause of his defensive play. JRam took 3B years ago cause of need and solid play...

If anything, it's not BS almost everyone has learned to play multiple positions... Gimenez was a SS not a 2B... He had less than 300 innings at 2B before he got into the bigs while 3000 at SS in the minors, is that not changing positions/learning another position?

Also I think more MIF would have hit the OF if Kwan, Brennan etc didn't produce... Players get moved to open spots, hence why Jones was in RF almost all of last season. OGonz took the position... They have been doing it, it's just the fact players have been producing at their positions they were drafted at for a change lol
 
I am working up something that I may post later. But, I don't really see the difference in Triolo and Tena. I actually like Tena more because he is natural SS who can be moved to play any positions as you refer to. Triolo may be more MLB ready (due to age alone) but both he and Tena would be at AAA this year. Yet, for now both Miller and Palacios have MLB roles (Miller more so if Rosario is traded). Yet, we only have 6 OFs till mid-season. Kwan, Straw, Oscar, Brennan, Benson and Palacios. Thus, until mid-seaon or 2024 for Valera, Palacios is your back-up in AAA use value is developing Valera the right way when injuries happen (or Benson flames out). Arias can play OF, but if Rosario is traded, he is SS/super-utility till then. And, we can just as easily move Tena and/or Freeman to that super utility role and let Arias do SS or main infield utility role (over miller) - mold our roster from within.

For me, Tena is just as if not more valuable long-term with bat even with a higher K rate as he is 3 years younger and improved in 2nd half in AAA (got K rate to 23% vs Triolo's 20% but with more HR too ... 11 just in 2nd half to Triolo's 9 all year (and one has already filled out). For me, a guy who just will be getting out of college last year vs Triolo's who has been out since 2019 means a significant stat adjustment for guys at the same level.

That's a fair assessment, I guess I do lean towards guys with solid floors... Triolo to me has that part while Tena still has some bust potential...
 
That's a fair assessment, I guess I do lean towards guys with solid floors... Triolo to me has that part while Tena still has some bust potential...

When we have most of the roster set, I look for the upside (as most of these guys will be utility anyways) -- so I rather have a potential star than a 3rd player utility. Yet, I am not saying Tena is a star ... just a Zobrist kind of utility that may need to play everyday between him, Arias and Freeman (so if one hits big why need a floor?)

Also, the other way to look at this, we are sitting at 21 position players (22 with backup catcher) at expense of 18 pitchers. Unless a major trade is coming for Murphy or Jansen, we are cutting our position players in Rosario/Benson/Miller/Palacios next year anyways for our next wave of pitching. Thus, it is easy to say Palacios/Miller are easy cuts now but those have basically already been backed into big plan of things.
 
When we have most of the roster set, I look for the upside (as most of these guys will be utility anyways) -- so I rather have a potential star than a 3rd player utility. Yet, I am not saying Tena is a star ... just a Zobrist kind of utility that may need to play everyday between him, Arias and Freeman (so if one hits big why need a floor?)

Also, the other way to look at this, we are sitting at 21 position players (22 with backup catcher) at expense of 18 pitchers. Unless a major trade is coming for Murphy or Jansen, we are cutting our position players in Rosario/Benson/Miller/Palacios next year anyways for our next wave of pitching. Thus, it is easy to say Palacios/Miller are easy cuts now but those have basically already been backed into big plan of things.

Triolo also adds more options years over Palacios, but I get your logic as well...

I was kind of expecting the extra bats... Tena, Palacios etc to end up in a deal for a SP to clear up space to add arms in free agency and/or promotion during the season...
 

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