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....the best way to describe what you're doing here is a rearrangement of the deck chairs on the titanic.. none of the three clubs would be interested in this useless trade...

Toronto would get two SPs, Cleveland would get MLB guys, one Rotation and one Bullpen/maybe rotation... A's would get talent that's better for their timeline... Toronto needs SPs pretty badly and they get two this way for one prospect...
 
@Gson @CDAV45 @petes999


Weird trade idea haha

Cleveland gets
SP Irvin (Oak)
RP/SP Puk (Oak)

Toronto gets
SP Blackburn (Oak)
SP Plesac (Cle)

Oakland gets
SP Allen (Cle)
SP Zululeta (Tor)

What do you guys think?
So we're going to have a 3-way trade with Toronto and Oakland and not bring a damn C back in the deal? Makes no sense whatsoever to me.
 
Marlins or the Rays are likely the two teams open to getting Straw, but Cleveland has never once moved an extended player in year two of that extension. Trust me in OOTP, if I am running a small market, I've never been afraid to move a player after an extension, so this isn't what I want, it's how the FO operates. Even Swisher and Bourn got traded in season 3... Go back through all the extensions and 4 year deals Cleveland has done. They have never traded before year 3, so Straw is in Cleveland until he loses the role. Straw has to struggle with the bat while Brennan has to take it from him before Straw is out of CF...
I don't expect them to move Straw in all honesty. I just don't think he should be handed the starting role after the pathetic season he just posted. Would I be in favor of dealing him? I think the answer to that is obvious, but it would surprise the shit out of me if he were dealt. I'd also be shocked if any team was interested in him if we're being honest and forthcoming.

Edited to say feel free to express what you want about this conversation, but talking about Straw is getting old. Just like watching him swing a bat.
 
@Gson @CDAV45 @petes999


Weird trade idea haha

Cleveland gets
SP Irvin (Oak)
RP/SP Puk (Oak)

Toronto gets
SP Blackburn (Oak)
SP Plesac (Cle)

Oakland gets
SP Allen (Cle)
SP Zululeta (Tor)

What do you guys think?

Right idea for Cleveland but I don't like the 1-2 idea as we are trying to find a catcher space already. But, more importantly, Toronto wants middle of rotation pitching help (someone to go game 3 in the playoffs over Berrios). Also, yes Oakland is not in contention, for years but they need a pitcher to get them through innings without killing the pen in the meantime. You are leaving them with Kaprielian who averages 5 inn starts as the only veteran in the staff to give the pen a quiet night. That is why all 7 votes so far are negative for all 3 teams involved.
 
So we're going to have a 3-way trade with Toronto and Oakland and not bring a damn C back in the deal? Makes no sense whatsoever to me.
or.. rearranging the deck chairs.. but but but..

useless deal..
 
I don't expect them to move Straw in all honesty. I just don't think he should be handed the starting role after the pathetic season he just posted. Would I be in favor of dealing him? I think the answer to that is obvious, but it would surprise the shit out of me if he were dealt. I'd also be shocked if any team was interested in him if we're being honest and forthcoming.

It's his position to lose at the end of the day, he's going to have it for spring and at least the first couple months... If he cannot show he can get hits and walks then he loses his spot. He is going to be given the keys to start the season, whether we like it or not...

I have Straw in OOTP as a 4th OF not as the starting CF, but in real life it's the other way around...
 
or.. rearranging the deck chairs.. but but but..

useless deal..
I don't get it, but I've had some strange trade ideas myself so I can't throw stones.

I may have an example of one of my silly ideas shortly so standby........
 
I don't get it, but I've had some strange trade ideas myself so I can't throw stones.

I may have an example of one of my silly ideas shortly so standby........

Mines not that strange, Irvin and Puk are two solid targets for Cleveland... Irvin has a fair amount of team control plus he would replace Plesac as a number 4/5 then Puk would be the first man out of the pen with Morgan...

The pen would be... Morgan and Puk as the long men/first men out of the pen...

Then you have Hentges, Stephan, Santos, Sandlin for 6th and 7th innings, then Karinchak and Clase...

I'd like a backend/high leverage lefty, but the pen now has a setup the way I like it...
 
If you want Jansen, what about Quantrill and Sandlin to Toronto? Quantrill grew up an hour or two north of Toronto and they want relievers. But, this is too much for Cleveland as we need the relievers we have after trading Vargas and losing 2 in Rule 5. And, we want to get rid of our scrub in Plesac over Quantril but this is what it take to get Jansen in BTV universe.

The other issue is there are not that many pitchers on scrub teams that have that perfect 2 years of control to get to our Big 3. If they have more than 2 years, we will need to overpay now for extra years or trade them later when our guys are ready. Where a Irvin will cost you a DeLauter or Freeman ... but you hope Plesac gives you 50% back. I think Cleveland idea was to go Mahle (who is 1 year now) to equate the value to Plesac (buy up in talent for years elsewhere).

Oakland - Irvin (4 yrs), Blackburn (3 yrs)
Pittsburgh - Keller, Brubaker
Miami - Lopez
Colorado - Freeland (1 year)
Cincinati - Cessa (1 year)
KC- Keller
Det - Turnbull

Teams who are waiting till eliminated from playoffs
Arizona - Kelly
Boston - Pivetta
Milwaukee - Burns
 
I don't get it, but I've had some strange trade ideas myself so I can't throw stones.

I may have an example of one of my silly ideas shortly so standby........
I just posted one..where a RHH catcher comes back for Plesac.. one for one.. two teams.. simple.
 
Mines not that strange, Irvin and Puk are two solid targets for Cleveland... Irvin has a fair amount of team control plus he would replace Plesac as a number 4/5 then Puk would be the first man out of the pen with Morgan...

The pen would be... Morgan and Puk as the long men/first men out of the pen...

Then you have Hentges, Stephan, Santos, Sandlin for 6th and 7th innings, then Karinchak and Clase...

I'd like a backend/high leverage lefty, but the pen now has a setup the way I like it...
They're able to move Plesac due to the current SP depth they already have Coach. They aren't looking to replace Plesac, they're looking to upgrade..

You've been on this BP kick for quite some time and I still don't think they make a trade like this for one. Again, the only hole to fill in the BP is the one left by Shaw and that won't be difficult to do after his performance. Besides, it seems like every year they find a De La Santos laying around and snatch him up. The BP and rotation aren't issues until they are if you get what I'm saying. Maybe they can turn Amed into a good backend BP arm. Would you be ok with that?

We need another C. I think it would be nice to have a SS that is better than average. It would be nice to consolidate some of our BOR SP for an upgrade. I don't care if it's Lopez, Marquez or Lauer. All 3 in my eyes would at the very least fall in behind TMac.
 
I posted another deal with...

Allen, Curry and a PTBNL (AZL/lotto prospect or the comp pick) for Irvin and Puk...

The A's poster on BTV wants Martinez... I'd be open to Martinez, Curry and Comp pick for Irvin and Puk... lol

If you want Jansen, what about Quantrill and Sandlin to Toronto? Quantrill grew up an hour or two north of Toronto and they want relievers. But, this is too much for Cleveland as we need the relievers we have after trading Vargas and losing 2 in Rule 5. And, we want to get rid of our scrub in Plesac over Quantril but this is what it take to get Jansen in BTV universe.

The other issue is there are not that many pitchers on scrub teams that have that perfect 2 years of control to get to our Big 3. If they have more than 2 years, we will need to overpay now for extra years or trade them later when our guys are ready. Where a Irvin will cost you a DeLauter or Freeman ... but you hope Plesac gives you 50% back. I think Cleveland idea was to go Mahle (who is 1 year now) to equate the value to Plesac (buy up in talent for years elsewhere).

Oakland - Irvin (4 yrs), Blackburn (3 yrs)
Pittsburgh - Keller, Brubaker
Miami - Lopez
Colorado - Freeland (1 year)
Cincinati - Cessa (1 year)
KC- Keller
Det - Turnbull

Teams who are waiting till eliminated from playoffs
Arizona - Kelly
Boston - Pivetta
Milwaukee - Burns

I just cannot see us trade Sandlin and Quantrill for Jansen... I don't think moving either guy is a smart move even if we get a catcher...
 

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