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23 Offseason GM Thread

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CATS44 said:
Its not something I'd bet on, but there is only a catching 'problem' if Naylor isn't ready to hit the ground running two months into the season and everybody else flames out.

That seems to be the plan. We shall see if it works out.
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I have my doubts that Naylor will be "ready to hit the ground running" that soon, or Zunino for that matter...
 
sportscoach said:
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Any guys we could be looking at? Roberto Perez or Plawecki? Culberson, Alberto, Matt Duffy or Jose Iglesias for the bench spot?
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the only thing I take from reading this article is that Mike Zunino will be the opening day catcher for Pittsburgh in 2024
 
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Gson said:
or Cincinnati... they seem to take all the Cleveland castoffs..
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The starters have been going to Pittsburgh the next season, and Zunino is supposed to be the starter so it will be Pittsburgh...
 
CDAV45 said:
I don't want to get into a conversation around this idea because it's obviously a fantasy, but I have a question. If Cleveland could afford to take on those salaries wouldn't it be more prudent to extend Bieber and pick up another FA or 2 in the offseason? I'm not suggesting anyone is better than Trout, but he's 31 yrs old I believe and struggles to stay healthy. Obviously one of the most dynamic players to ever step foot on a baseball field though.

In the end the idea is fun to think about, but I'm guessing it would set this team back for years. I always thought if Trout were traded he would end up in Philly.
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I was gonna answer this question here since it can be a GM question...

It would sincerely depend on which mindset you are looking at things from. If you think you can win now, you would extend Bieber and pay for a Trout, but if you didn't think you could win now, you could always wait a little longer to see what you had in 23 and really finalize the roster in 24...

If you had the money, extending Bieber, I feel like is always 100% the right choice... Now how to let's say how to spend/acquire the rest of it, I would look at needs and what we would need going forward.

Really our needs are upgrading C and getting a bat to protect JRam. I personally feel like free agency can be a big waste of financial/cap since many times in free agency you are signing a player whose over 30 and due money. So it would really depends on the market and needs... I'd rather find a way to acquire someone under long term control rather than try to play the market since it doesn't mean you always get that player you want.

If I was running the roster, majority of the roster will always come through minors/trades/waivers with supplements in Free Agency to finish the roster.

Let's say hypothetical Cleveland had the chance to extend Bieber and get Trout plus Ohtani for non-26 man guys (outside of let's say prospects and/or like OGonz). As an owner, even of a small market, can you skip on that when you add two All-star pieces that make you a frontrunner now?

Now if I couldn't get Trout and Ohtani but the big man said yes to a 60 million increase to spending... You are sure going to find a way to really upgrade the roster and with you being a playoff team, you want to do it sooner rather than later. So in Cleveland's case, Bieber will get an extension and sincerely, I wouldn't be surprised to see Cleveland maybe go for a rental and/or someone normally out of reach... I really don't think they would wait a season, unless they really couldnt find a deal within reason... I know I wouldn't if I was running a roster and though I am a trade aholic in a sense, I don't normally go get the All-Stars of the world, I normally just keep swapping to find the right mix of players.

Now, I am looking at the free agent list in 24...

The best players are SPs and at the moment no real batting talent that's better than what's you have. I'd say for Cleveland they gotta upgrade via internally or trade not via FA on paper. If there was more big name bats then that would be a different matter. Heck, I would have gotten a Trea Turner last off season, regardless of the talent in my system...

You would have to play out who will be available as well and right now, they need to get JRam help and that won't come free agency even if the budget it increased...
 
sportscoach said:
I was gonna answer this question here since it can be a GM question...

It would sincerely depend on which mindset you are looking at things from. If you think you can win now, you would extend Bieber and pay for a Trout, but if you didn't think you could win now, you could always wait a little longer to see what you had in 23 and really finalize the roster in 24...

If you had the money, extending Bieber, I feel like is always 100% the right choice... Now how to let's say how to spend/acquire the rest of it, I would look at needs and what we would need going forward.

Really our needs are upgrading C and getting a bat to protect JRam. I personally feel like free agency can be a big waste of financial/cap since many times in free agency you are signing a player whose over 30 and due money. So it would really depends on the market and needs... I'd rather find a way to acquire someone under long term control rather than try to play the market since it doesn't mean you always get that player you want.

If I was running the roster, majority of the roster will always come through minors/trades/waivers with supplements in Free Agency to finish the roster.

Let's say hypothetical Cleveland had the chance to extend Bieber and get Trout plus Ohtani for non-26 man guys (outside of let's say prospects and/or like OGonz). As an owner, even of a small market, can you skip on that when you add two All-star pieces that make you a frontrunner now?

Now if I couldn't get Trout and Ohtani but the big man said yes to a 60 million increase to spending... You are sure going to find a way to really upgrade the roster and with you being a playoff team, you want to do it sooner rather than later. So in Cleveland's case, Bieber will get an extension and sincerely, I wouldn't be surprised to see Cleveland maybe go for a rental and/or someone normally out of reach... I really don't think they would wait a season, unless they really couldnt find a deal within reason... I know I wouldn't if I was running a roster and though I am a trade aholic in a sense, I don't normally go get the All-Stars of the world, I normally just keep swapping to find the right mix of players.

Now, I am looking at the free agent list in 24...

The best players are SPs and at the moment no real batting talent that's better than what's you have. I'd say for Cleveland they gotta upgrade via internally or trade not via FA on paper. If there was more big name bats then that would be a different matter. Heck, I would have gotten a Trea Turner last off season, regardless of the talent in my system...

You would have to play out who will be available as well and right now, they need to get JRam help and that won't come free agency even if the budget it increased...
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I prefer to load up on the best prospects possible that would share time in the window of contention and I believe that window is much larger than it would be trading your best prospect assets for a short term need. No, that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t trade prospects. It means keep the best and add to it when possible. To go along with that there would be a well known rule that if you are approaching FA and you decline a fair extension offer with 2 yrs of control remaining then you will be wearing another uniform prior to the season starting.

The list of prospects I’d be willing to deal is everyone not named Espino, Bibee, Williams and Naylor. I shouldn’t say I wouldn’t be willing to deal any of those, instead they would have to be pried from my king fu grip.
 
CDAV45 said:
I prefer to load up on the best prospects possible that would share time in the window of contention and I believe that window is much larger than it would be trading your best prospect assets for a short term need. No, that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t trade prospects. It means keep the best and add to it when possible. To go along with that there would be a well known rule that if you are approaching FA and you decline a fair extension offer with 2 yrs of control remaining then you will be wearing another uniform prior to the season starting.

The list of prospects I’d be willing to deal is everyone not named Espino, Bibee, Williams and Naylor. I shouldn’t say I wouldn’t be willing to deal any of those, instead they would have to be pried from my king fu grip.
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as you're indicating, indirectly.. without a fiscal component to the roster / team make up.. it's just fantasy..

Having a slew of current and soon to be current young talent will ALWAYS be the way to go with the current construct of MLB... Silly ideas like an Ohtani & Trout.. with DeGrom..etc etc.. belong in FF Baseball or some other fantasy construct...
 
Phillies losing Rhys Hoskins may make it imperative for them to juggle their roster/change a position player or two to cover the loss. In the year following their improbable world series run, that puts a degree of urgency into the mix... There have been media reports that Alec Bohm could be moved from 3B to 1B.. but that leaves a "gaping" hole at 3B.. Perhaps, a deal can be arranged that benefits both the Philadelphia and Cleveland clubs?.. The Phillies have liked deals with Cleveland in the past.. and could possibly 'drool' at the chance to get someone like Gabriel Arias as an immediate fix to play 3B to fill this void.. This would represent the best of both worlds.. as a short term solution and as a long term fix...

If such a deal were to be considered.. someone like Rafael Marchan is a switch hitting catcher that would fit nicely onto the Guardians squad.. Of course.. Marchan would just be the guy carrying the bags of the prospect the Guardians really covet...
 
Gson said:
Phillies losing Rhys Hoskins may make it imperative for them to juggle their roster/change a position player or two to cover the loss. In the year following their improbable world series run, that puts a degree of urgency into the mix... There have been media reports that Alec Bohm could be moved from 3B to 1B.. but that leaves a "gaping" hole at 3B.. Perhaps, a deal can be arranged that benefits both the Philadelphia and Cleveland clubs?.. The Phillies have liked deals with Cleveland in the past.. and could possibly 'drool' at the chance to get someone like Gabriel Arias as an immediate fix to play 3B to fill this void.. This would represent the best of both worlds.. as a short term solution and as a long term fix...

If such a deal were to be considered.. someone like Rafael Marchan is a switch hitting catcher that would fit nicely onto the Guardians squad.. Of course.. Marchan would just be the guy carrying the bags of the prospect the Guardians really covet...
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Phillies aren't going to go after Arias not when they have Stott... I am guessing they for now will look at cheap veteran options then at the trade deadline look to upgrade if still in contention and the position isn't doing well
 
CATS44 said:
No contending team is drooling at the thought of Arias as their starting 3B.
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...the contending teams don't drool at the thought.. they drool at the potential he brings..
 
Yet this fantastic organization saw Arias as the main target in that trade. Go figure.
 
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