25 GM OffSeason Thread

[Beanie4Heisman]

 

[sportscoach]

I feel like if Josh Naylor doesn't sign an extension, it makes the chance of him being dealt in the offseason very high... But we are in a playoff year, so they are gonna put his price sky high...

 

[southernflyer]

I feel like if Josh Naylor doesn't sign an extension, it makes the chance of him being dealt in the offseason very high... But we are in a playoff year, so they are gonna put his price sky high...

I feel Josh's peak value was last offseason. For the team with trade value and his agent negotiating an extension.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Bats in want in the lineup every day:

1. Jose
2. Josh
3. Manzardo
4. Lane
5. Kwan

You stick Hosey at third, Josh at first and Zardo at DH... unless Josh's leg gets some magic pixie dust and he can DH, in which case you let Manzardo play first.

Kwan in Left, and Lane in right. He absolutely shouldn't be the first option in CF. He's been awful out there.

That leaves C, SS, 2B, CF.

Bo at C.

CF? I think I give Angel the chance to win the job outright. I have DeLauter playing CF in Columbus and if he can stay healthy, he can get a chance to take the reins later on

Now, up the middle....

I know it's blasphemy, but I think I want Rocchio and Bazzana just settling in at SS and 2B, while we trade Gimi.

That leaves 4 bench spots.

Hedges/Insert-backup-catcher-here
Fry
Schneemann
OF

Starting lineup:

Kwan, LF
Angel, CF
Jose, 3B
Naylor, 1B
Lane, RF
Manzardo, DH
Bazzana, 2B
Bo, C
Rocchio, SS

With Fry playing nearly every day as his utility role, giving guys breaks.

 

[sportscoach]

Bats in want in the lineup every day:

1. Jose
2. Josh
3. Manzardo
4. Lane
5. Kwan

You stick Hosey at third, Josh at first and Zardo at DH... unless Josh's leg gets some magic pixie dust and he can DH, in which case you let Manzardo play first.

Kwan in Left, and Lane in right. He absolutely shouldn't be the first option in CF. He's been awful out there.

That leaves C, SS, 2B, CF.

Bo at C.

CF? I think I give Angel the chance to win the job outright. I have DeLauter playing CF in Columbus and if he can stay healthy, he can get a chance to take the reins later on

Now, up the middle....

I know it's blasphemy, but I think I want Rocchio and Bazzana just settling in at SS and 2B, while we trade Gimi.

That leaves 4 bench spots.

Hedges/Insert-backup-catcher-here
Fry
Schneemann
OF

Starting lineup:

Kwan, LF
Angel, CF
Jose, 3B
Naylor, 1B
Lane, RF
Manzardo, DH
Bazzana, 2B
Bo, C
Rocchio, SS

With Fry playing nearly every day as his utility role, giving guys breaks.

We gave Gimenez that long contract... In OOTP, you can move it without repercussions, but moving it right now, will send a bad message for guys that are likely gonna be offered a contract extension... Moving Gimenez would hurt possibly guys taking said extension since the FO isn't showing any loyalties to someone signing an extension of that nature... I really doubt Gimenez is an another uniform before 2027...

 

[Gson]

CleFO gave Myles Straw a long term deal, as well..

 

[sportscoach]

CleFO gave Myles Straw a long term deal, as well..

The extension Straw got was way different than what Gimenez got...

Straw was a contract that paid through his Arb and then a couple options years added on...

Gimenez signed a 7 year deal and we trade him like two years afterwards... That would send a message to the players that IF they have a down year, they would just get rid of them... Why would I sign a contract extension with them? A deal like that is signed for loyalty both ways...

Gimenez also has a 4 bWAR... Even know that's mostly defense and baserunning, he's still worth way more than what we are paying him...

Now, when it comes to Straw, he got a 5 year extension and played two years in that extension with no offensive production...

My guess is this... Gimenez has until after 25 before the team would even think about trading him...

 

[CDAV45]

The extension Straw got was way different than what Gimenez got...

Straw was a contract that paid through his Arb and then a couple options years added on...

Gimenez signed a 7 year deal and we trade him like two years afterwards... That would send a message to the players that IF they have a down year, they would just get rid of them... Why would I sign a contract extension with them? A deal like that is signed for loyalty both ways...

Gimenez also has a 4 bWAR... Even know that's mostly defense and baserunning, he's still worth way more than what we are paying him...

Now, when it comes to Straw, he got a 5 year extension and played two years in that extension with no offensive production...

My guess is this... Gimenez has until after 25 before the team would even think about trading him...

The message is that Cleveland's system is loaded with MIF talent. Gimenez's contract is easily movable and if they don't deal him then someone else needs to go. In fact, Gimenez probably brings a haul as the value you suggested supports that. Even if it doesn't happen the logic behind the idea is sound.

In the end I don't think Gimenez gets moved, but I'd be listening to offers and capitalize on a good one. Either way he needs to hit more than he has this season.

 

[Gson]

The message is that Cleveland's system is loaded with MIF talent. Gimenez's contract is easily movable and if they don't deal him then someone else needs to go. In fact, Gimenez probably brings a haul as the value you suggested supports that. Even if it doesn't happen the logic behind the idea is sound.

In the end I don't think Gimenez gets moved, but I'd be listening to offers and capitalize on a good one. Either way he needs to hit more than he has this season.

Pretty unlikely that Gimi is going to be moved.. The majority of his value in 2024 has been derived from his defense (2.4 WAR of the 2.8 WAR earned).. Even so.. with his contract, he'll still have nearly three times his contract value in WAR (2 WAR realized as excess) making him very valuable to the Guards.

As you've stated, not in so many words, as the overwhelming/over spending offer comes.. CleFO may consider it with the eye toward the depth at the 2B slot [and only the 2B slot] coming from the minors..

 

[sportscoach]

The message is that Cleveland's system is loaded with MIF talent. Gimenez's contract is easily movable and if they don't deal him then someone else needs to go. In fact, Gimenez probably brings a haul as the value you suggested supports that. Even if it doesn't happen the logic behind the idea is sound.

In the end I don't think Gimenez gets moved, but I'd be listening to offers and capitalize on a good one. Either way he needs to hit more than he has this season.

Pretty unlikely that Gimi is going to be moved.. The majority of his value in 2024 has been derived from his defense (2.4 WAR of the 2.8 WAR earned).. Even so.. with his contract, he'll still have nearly three times his contract value in WAR (2 WAR realized as excess) making him very valuable to the Guards.

As you've stated, not in no many words, as the overwhelming/over spending offer comes.. CleFO may consider it with the eye toward the depth at the 2B slot [and only the 2B slot] coming from the minors..

PR wise with the players, you can't move Gimenez just yet... If the FO doesn't show loyalty too the players who signed long term deals, then no one else will sign them...

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

PR wise with the players, you can't move Gimenez just yet... If the FO doesn't show loyalty too the players who signed long term deals, then no one else will sign them...

You've been repeating this for years and it's just not how the world works.

Maybe it would ring true if trading someone meant they no longer got paid.

 

[sportscoach]

You've been repeating this for years and it's just not how the world works.

Maybe it would ring true if trading someone meant they no longer got paid.

He's got 5 years left on that contract... Sign a guy for 7+1 then trade him... Yeah, no one else is gonna sign a deal like that with Cleveland...

You are gonna try to get Kwan, Naylor, maybe Bibee and Thomas to get an extension signed and you trade Gimenez before he even gets into the meat his contract...

The whole point of the contract Gimenez signed was to show he wanted to play here... He signed because he wanted to play here... You don't trade a guy who signs a long term deal like that and not expect it to have repercussions since it will... Kwan will turn down any extension offer we give him outside of equal to or higher than Market value... Gimenez would have been worth 22 million in free agency... 40 million in 22... He's a guy going into his prime years, which is what his contract covers...

I'm not saying I disagree his contract is pretty high in the meat of it, but it's not even all that high right now, plus we would be moving him for pennies on the dollar and we would be replacing him with unproven players...

BTV has him as one of the worst contracts in the league... I have it worth a mid prospect or two and that would only be to teams like the Yankees, Giants etc who can afford to take on his contract... The return for him after a down year isn't worth gambling on hurting the PR with the players right now... It's not worth doing...

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

He's got 5 years left on that contract... Sign a guy for 7+1 then trade him... Yeah, no one else is gonna sign a deal like that with Cleveland...

Lmao, you just keep repeating it.

There are many reasons not to trade Gimi. "Nobody else will sign an extension" is not one of them.

 

[sportscoach]

Lmao, you just keep repeating it.

There are many reasons not to trade Gimi. "Nobody else will sign an extension" is not one of them.

You would be surprised how much that possibly could hurt actually signing an extension from a PR stand point. That being stated, only someone who has actually been around a clubhouse could truly say if it would or not... I just believe it would, so I'd rather not move Gimenez...

Now, I could see a Gimenez move to SS or something but I really doubt they would even entertain the idea of trading him especially with his value being so low right now...

 

[Gson]

You would be surprised how much that possibly could hurt actually signing an extension from a PR stand point. That being stated, only someone who has actually been around a clubhouse could truly say if it would or not... I just believe it would, so I'd rather not move Gimenez...

Now, I could see a Gimenez move to SS or something but I really doubt they would even entertain the idea of trading him especially with his value being so low right now...

..being the 9th or 111th reason for trading him.. it would certainly be a surprise that he's moved.... in a non-affirmative way..