For what it's worth, I'd rather be watching Messick in the 5 hole than Allen. Speaking of Allen, that's who I'd be trying to capitalize on via trade while his stock is high(for him).
@CATS44 would be correct in saying that Logan T would have more trade value (albeit slight) than Messick as Allen has proven he can get ML hitters out.. at least one time through the order.. Perhaps, another team can get him to get through two passes through the order?.. Messick.. happily remains an unknown at the ML level.. and.. the reason for your optimism in a potential trade.. no?
My optimism for Messick is based solely off of talent and potential. He can simply do things with a baseball that a guy like Allen is incapable of. I understand that doesn't mean that potential will be realized at the highest level, but an organization like Cleveland's has to give that talent every opportunity if they want to be relevant in pennant and postseason discussions. That's why I value Messick more than Allen who looks like a definite BOR SP. Essentially it comes down to the known commodity compared to the unknown who could prove to be much more valuable.
You are talking about 1 Top 100/50 type guy and 1 near Top 100, will get you something. But, what do we really need #2 hitter and SS or CF. You cannot give up Genao without getting a SS. What do we have below him, Tolentino? Rocchio? Mooney? Not much. It is easier to give up Chourio but again Halpin and Watson don't really excite me. But, Rosario is in LC with him but rather keep Chourio too. I would rather give up a Kayfus. I have seen a few of his OF plays and he looks very stiff and lets a lot of things fall in front of him. He is 1B only to me for now.
If you watched some of the swings by Fry.. he was swinging with authority and power..and it's this year.. He is probably more in the Manzardo area of the batting order.. 5th/6th.. no?
I just look at top 5 hitters next year to put in top 5 and just thinking Fry is more contact then DeLauter and possibly Manzardo. But as said, Brito/Bazzana at 2nd could also play 2nd. Just showing this year's problem maybe just short term in terms of swinging deal.
Would love to see Westburg in a Guardians uniform, but he is not blocked in Baltimore. In fact, he is a key piece of their core. I'm not saying he is unattainable, but I'm saying the cost is most likely to high to even consider. Which of Bibee or Williams are you willing to give because Baltimore is past rebuilding.
You keep saying this, but Allen is arbitration eligible in 2027 and a FA in 2030. He's a long-term piece for anybody interested in acquiring him.
There is no way I'm giving up Kayfus before Chourio if I can help it. In fact, I suspect Chourio's value will lessen as he advances and struggles against more advanced pitching so I'm all for dealing him as part of a package deal to acquire an established, good player who is also controlled for yrs.
Kasevich is a slap hitter with little power so I have no interest in him, and this organization doesn't need another BP arm. Rojas is 18 and a long way off. This is not the type of return Cleveland will want in a deal for Allen. I actually think Allen will be part of a package for the type of player they want as opposed to the type of deal you posted.@CDAV45
Sorry for tagging you so much randomly lol
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This is the type of deal i would expect for Allen...
Blue Jays get
SP Allen
(maybe a PTBNL)
Guardians get
INF Josh Kasevich
SP Macko
C Franklin Rojas
Jays need another starter...
Macko and Kasevich are both coming off of injury... both would have to pass medicals of course....
Talent wise... Kasevich is a pure hitter... Macko is close to MLB ready if you make him a reliever this season. He is still developing his 4th pitch. Rojas is a DSL catcher....
Then Krook released for Bieber/Messick