A Look Inside the Dysfunction of the Cleveland Browns

[GreasySpread36]

Modell’s legacy is this:
Things he got right:
Being involved in a key NFL TV deal.

Things he got wrong:
Firing the greatest coach of all time... twice (TWICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Forcing the greatest RB of all time into retirement
Releasing the hometown QB - horrible PR for a guy that was supposed to be a marketing expert.
Leaving the most NFL football-crazy town in the United States...
... to move the team to Baltimore to keep control / ownership of the team... only to fail to do so almost immediately. He couldn’t even turn a SB win into a sustainable business model. WTF.

The guy simply doesn’t have the resume to be in the Hall of Fame. My bet is that Grossi starts with emotional appeal whenever he advocates voting against him, but then closes with these simple, unemotional truths about Modell’s legacy and his lack of qualifications for HOF consideration.

The Hall of Fame should be for the players first and foremost. I'm not sure there are very many owners period who belong, outside of George Halas and Lamar Hunt.

 

[2 For The Brew]

You see, though, no one other than us gives a damn about Modell stealing the Browns from this city.

For us, it’s enormous. Pure unfiltered hatred for him.

For other franchises around the NFL? They don’t really give a damn about what happened to us.

They also don’t care that we’ve been a laughing stock as an expansion rebirth. Hell, they enjoy it. The media loves clowning on Cleveland.

Cleveland Browns fans are respected.

Screw the media.

 

[Triple-S]

View: https://twitter.com/NFLonFOX/status/1097232734970363904


What metric are you using Fox?

I went to a game in December where the Muni lot was fucking packed and tickets were marked up to the most insane degree that I had to cough up 400 bucks or so.

Crowd made the stadium literally shake on a few touchdowns.

The NFL should thank their lucky stars for markets like Cleveland.

 

[bigfoot5415]

View: https://twitter.com/NFLonFOX/status/1097232734970363904


What metric are you using Fox?

I went to a game in December where the Muni lot was fucking packed and tickets were marked up to the most insane degree that I had to cough up 400 bucks or so.

Crowd made the stadium literally shake on a few touchdowns.

The NFL should thank their lucky stars for markets like Cleveland.

Tampa....sure
Nashville....I get it
Houston....debatable

But if you dont have LA on here for both of their teams, your list is shit.

 

[Triple-S]

Tampa....sure
Nashville....I get it
Houston....debatable

But if you don't have LA on here for both of their teams, your list is shit.

Tampa is...okay. I think they're a decent sports town. I would argue Tampa and Miami are really the only cities that should have pro-level franchises in Florida. (and if I were doing things over? Miami would have the AL franchise to cater towards Yankee fan transplants and Tampa would be in the NL to cater towards midwestern transplants who are more so on that side)

Nashville and Jacksonville are just...awful markets for NFL teams. Just feels like Jacksonville would be a place where the Dolphins already lay claim to it, and Nashville feels like it would be another one of the markets the Cowboys would claim. (Hell I've met people from Tennessee that are far more into the saints)

Houston is a good market. Oilers should have never left town.

They always use some insane bullshit metric though and refuse to go "Hey maybe there's other factors at play" like you know..the Browns finishing winless and having 3 of the worst seaons I've ever seen from a pro football team.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Idk man I’ve been to rays and marlins games

I was one of like 300 people at both games and I promise you I’m barely exaggerating. It was a joke

 

[godfather]

View: https://twitter.com/NFLonFOX/status/1097232734970363904


What metric are you using Fox?

I went to a game in December where the Muni lot was fucking packed and tickets were marked up to the most insane degree that I had to cough up 400 bucks or so.

Crowd made the stadium literally shake on a few touchdowns.

The NFL should thank their lucky stars for markets like Cleveland.

What a bunch of horseshit. Notice outside Houston, all very small markets. Small sized market doesn't mean bad for the NFL.

The Browns have a much bigger following than a lot of big markets in the NFL.

Meanwhile, the NFL decides to give LA two teams.

And they are so bad, they have to have tarps out in sections of the stadium, because the attendance is so bad.

In their first home playoff game in years. The road time beat them in attendance.

They get a Super Bowl, and ranked, what 16th in regional viewership?

I guess it wouldn't look good for the NFL to admit they've bombed in LA.

But yeah, I mean football in Cleveland is much worse.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Idk man I’ve been to rays and marlins games

I was one of like 300 people at both games and I promise you I’m barely exaggerating. It was a joke

Strangely, the Bolts are the only team that draws well down there.

Hockey...in Florida....

 

[godfather]

I can see Houston being bad. I don't live in Texas, but just take it Dallas dominates there.

Just like Cleveland dominates here. I mean, seriously, we're worse than Cincinnati? Horse shit. Cleveland football is bigger in Ohio than the fuckin' Bungles. Everyone knows it.

I don't buy Nashville being on there either.

Tampa, Jacksonville, and Houston I can see cases for. I just get the feeling this is beyond bias.

Let's not forget fox sports WORKS for the NFL. And the NFL is not going to admit their LA experiment has been a big time failure.

This poll is completely fake news.

 

[Triple-S]

I can see Houston being bad. I don't live in Texas, but just take it Dallas dominates there..

Houston loves CFB a bit more, but people like the Texans well enough. Texas/Oklahoma/Arkansas as a whole are far more into college.

Cowboys cover:
-Tulsa, OK (shares with the Chiefs)
-Oklahoma City, OK (shares with the Chiefs)
-Austin, TX
-San Antonio, TX
-Dallas-Forth Worth, TX
-New Mexico
-Arkansas

Houston is indeed a big market though so it's not as big of an issue.

Cincinnati loves the Reds quite a bit more. Even during lean years. Bengals are more for people from Kentucky and are a red headed step child of the city.

 

[chrisrich91]

Before I get too worked up, what are they even measuring? That’s far too vague a statement

 

[Binkster]

Before I get too worked up, what are they even measuring? That’s far too vague a statement

Yeah, it’s an idiotic tweet with zero context provided.

I personally interpreted it differently...

The title was “Worst cities for NFL fans,” not “Worst fanbases in the NFL.”

 

[Triplethreat]

That’s obviously Factoring in things like our shit weather, shit football team for the last 20 years and seemingly everything going wrong all the time.

 

[Triple-S]

Before I get too worked up, what are they even measuring? That’s far too vague a statement

might be based on this.

https://wallethub.com/edu/best-worst-cities-for-football-fans/9691/

There was a stats nerd ranking that was done that kinda tosses out these stats. "Well ticket prices, plus uh...other factors like record"

They put Boston at the top of the list.

 

[macbdog]

Am i taking crazy pills? It clearly says 'worst cities to be a pro football fan'- which considering our franchise ia coming off the Hue Jackson Experience seems pretty appropriate? Are folks that touchy and does Cleveland have that severe of an inferiority complex that you read that as 'worst fans'?