A Look Inside the Dysfunction of the Cleveland Browns

[The Human Q-Tip]

Imagine being dumped for telling the world that the idiot owners were going to dump Bud Carson before they dumped Bud Carson.

Whatever Tony...aren't you due to be spouting some gibberish on Rizzo's show in a few minutes or something?

ETA: Actually, I do think I made a comment once on here about Grossi. It was about that asinine question he asked Gregg Williams in his very first press conference, about the bounties. He knew Williams wasn't going to answer that, but he asked it anyway because he wanted his asking of the question to itself be the news.

That's pretty much the definition of a shitty journalist.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

A Tony Grossi defender....never thought I'd see the day.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Have to say...as much as I hate how Haley conducted himself here, I have to respect how he's kept his mouth shut since leaving.

 

[catfish]

Have to say...as much as I hate how Haley conducted himself here, I have to respect how he's kept his mouth shut since leaving.

What would he have to talk about? He got canned by the Steelers and then again by the sadsack Browns in the same year for running an offense from the last century.

 

[Jack Brickman]

What would he have to talk about? He got canned by the Steelers and then again by the sadsack Browns in the same year for running an offense from the last century.

Hue won three games in two and a half years and that hasn't stopped him from bitching to anyone who will listen about how none of it was his fault.

 

[catfish]

What would he have to talk about? He got canned by the Steelers and then again by the sadsack Browns in the same year for running an offense from the last century.

Hue won three games in two and a half years and that hasn't stopped him from bitching to anyone who will listen about how none of it was his fault.

He did finally jump into the lake so there is that.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

He did finally jump into the lake so there is that.

Yeah, but he popped back up on the surface after he did, so it really didn't do any good.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

Wickersham just tweeted out a photo of that Guardrails plan mentioned in his piece.

 

[AZ_]

I know media shaming, crying fake news or blaming Hue Jackson for everything in the piece would be the easy thing to do here.

But its impossible to believe multiple former employees don't have an axe to grind over the obvious dysfunction and utterly terrible era of Browns football.

Its not an unfair piece at all, its hardly surprising giving everything we've been told of the events of the last decade.

 

[Cassity14]

Wickersham just tweeted out a photo of that Guardrails plan mentioned in his piece.

hOw MuCh Is TrUe?

 

[catfish]

These all seem like appropriate principles.

 

[catfish]

I know media shaming, crying fake news or blaming Hue Jackson for everything in the piece would be the easy thing to do here.

But its impossible to believe multiple former employees don't have an axe to grind over the obvious dysfunction and utterly terrible era of Browns football.

Its not an unfair piece at all, its hardly surprising giving everything we've been told of the events of the last decade.

Last decade? How about last half century?

 

[Chris]

Again another Browns fan who has never wanted to understand the truth about the sadsack franchise. In the league with a hard cap there is never an excuse for being down for more than 2 years. Article didnt even get into the fact that this cheap outfit never comes close to using all of its cap room. When you have a gas station guy as the head of your team and before that a lightweight and before that and underfinanced know it all you get what you get.

I have no illusions about how trash this organization has been, and have been pretty outspoken about such. That doesn’t make every melodramatic article that comes out about said dysfunction true.

“Multiple sauces!!” Yeah, okay. Believe what you want, it’s irrelevant, doesn’t imply anything we didn’t already know about the past.

 

[Huber.]

Wickersham just tweeted out a photo of that Guardrails plan mentioned in his piece.

There's part of the 25%


Any update on what kind of defense Condalisa Rice will run?

 

[blommen]

I don't think instability is really the chief culprit -- hiring the wrong people is. I think Jimmy's excessive concern over instability was likely what led him to retain Hue after going 1-31. And it was him finally agreeing to ditch that "stability" and fire Hue midseason that turned everything around.



I'd agree that now that the right people seem to be in in place, interference from Jimmy would be a huge problem. I'm just willing to wait and see how he acts when he actually has competent people in charge. Dorsey apparently can rub some people the wrong way, but hopefully that won't be an issue here.

I can't help but think of the "Jimmy wants to be a football guy" quote in the article. Maybe that's why Dorsey was such a good hire? Dorsey is what Jimmy wants to be, a rough and tumble football guy who speaks like one of the boys. That could give Dorsey the freedom to throw his weight around a bit more and tell Jimmy when he's being an idiot.

The "fucking nerds" quote doesn't bring up a lot of red flags to me. Dorsey is outspoken and if he does indeed have the view of analytics I'm fairly certain it wasn't an opinion he held to himself. The analytics team more than likely were well aware of this, and if he has indeed softened to the matter over the past year I don't see the issue.