Aaron Rodgers vs Covid

[kookoo]

Threads have been locked for turning "political" that did far less than what's going on in here.

Covid is now a political issue in the US... So IMO either don't talk about it or go into a thread knowing that's what's going to happen. It sucks because people should be united in realizing it's a global health issue but it happened in an election year and was used to divide people...

 

[BimboColesHair]

Yeah.

I don't think I made light of 1 thing political in my post that was responded to and is spawning this argument.

Person does something stupid, proceeds to say potentially harmful lies about the Covid vaccine on a wide spreading platform seen by millions.

Someone who does that deserves criticism. However, they are quickly shrouded and protected by people who mistake valid criticism with "cancel culture" and "the woke mob".

No, he did something stupid and said something stupid that could potentially harm others, he deserves to be called an idiot.

 

[Cassity14]

Covid is now a political issue in the US... So IMO either don't talk about it or go into a thread knowing that's what's going to happen. It sucks because people should be united in realizing it's a global health issue but it happened in an election year and was used to divide people...

Yeah.

I don't think I made light of 1 thing political in my post that was responded to and is spawning this argument.

Person does something stupid, proceeds to say potentially harmful lies about the Covid vaccine on a wide spreading platform seen by millions.

Someone who does that deserves criticism. However, they are quickly shrouded and protected by people who mistake valid criticism with "cancel culture" and "the woke mob".

No, he did something stupid and said something stupid that could potentially harm others, he deserves to be called an idiot.

I don't disagree with you guys, but terms like "cancel culture" and "woke mob" are inherently political in nature, and have each led to locked threads in the past IIRC.

I'd just like sitewide consistency and an understanding of what I can and cannot post about.

 

[bob2the2nd]

So from additional articles Ive read everyone but the fans knew he was unvaccinated. At which point it is 100% up to the Packers to enforce the league mandate as far as rules go. Being as it is clear the packers were not enforcing these rules, they are now subject to fines plus loss of draft picks.

 

[Kbiz]

I knew Rodgers was a questionable decision maker when he dumped Olivia Munn.

 

[JayP146]

I knew Rodgers was a questionable decision maker when he dumped Olivia Munn.

Texting with Olivia Munn, hopefully she'll give me some
Or some Rosie Jones, man
Hoes is hoes is hoes, man
Vax no vax no vax, man
Def forgot my vax, man

 

[kookoo]

I don't disagree with you guys, but terms like "cancel culture" and "woke mob" are inherently political in nature, and have each led to locked threads in the past IIRC.

I'd just like sitewide consistency and an understanding of what I can and cannot post about.

I'd say use your best judgement and if it gets deleted, it gets deleted. Like don't go out of your way to post something political in a game thread. But if lets say a player says something political related (like if Kyrie was still here), there's a clear reason to have to talk about current politics and how it's affecting the situation.

 

[2 For The Brew]

I don't disagree with you guys, but terms like "cancel culture" and "woke mob" are inherently political in nature, and have each led to locked threads in the past IIRC.

I'd just like sitewide consistency and an understanding of what I can and cannot post about.

I posted heavily in the now-locked Covid thread well before March 2020 as I had a stepson and his bride (married Oct 2019) living in Singapore which at one time was #2 in the world in infections and my wife flew there for a visit in Feb 2020. I was working in Bergen County NJ at the epicenter of the worst outbreak in terms of fatality % in the nation (well above NYC even).

I knew people in the local Orthodox Jewish community where the disease was on them before they could react and killed a massive number of people. The synagogue with the most fatalities was in Teaneck and a lady I know with four kids lived right across the street. It was just horrible.

So I was posting and closely following the disease and I believe making useful contributions to this site. Then it became political and too many people refused to behave themselves so the thread was moved to the political section.

I will never go to that section not because I’m not politically minded (Watched every convention 1972 - 2012) but for the same reason I didn’t watch either convention in 2016 or 2020: Civil political discussion is now impossible, even for a topic as important as Covid-19. I’ve seen families wrecked by political differences as if this was 1861 - something unheard of until very recently. It’s no longer about discussing various issues and how best to resolve differences; it’s more like picking a tribe and hating on other tribes. Social media and the celebritization (made up word) of politics has made things worse.

As far as politics and Covid-19 is concerned high members of BOTH political parties have at one time or another cast doubt on the vaccine, and the current list of athletes that haven’t been vaccinated are certainly NOT just from one political point of view (think Kyrie has more than one view in his own head LOL) so neither side can be considered Covid puritans. With the noise in the USA around this topic I respectfully suggest looking at Covid advice in other major countries with sophisticated medical communities (I.e. France, Britain, Israel, Taiwan for example) to see other informed points of view. They pretty much converge to similar opinions at least for adults.

 

[BimboColesHair]

I'd say use your best judgement and if it gets deleted, it gets deleted. Like don't go out of your way to post something political in a game thread. But if lets say a player says something political related (like if Kyrie was still here), there's a clear reason to have to talk about current politics and how it's affecting the situation.

This.

Reason I am saying I didn't say "1 thing political" is cause all I was doing is quoting what the guy said.

 

[Cavatt]

Again, I think this all comes down to exactly who he lied to. FWIW, I absolutely agree with Rodgers that the public/media have zero right to know his vaccination status. Even the NFL itself agrees with that, which is why they don't publish that information.

So I can see his point. He's pissed at people who have no business knowing his personal medical information blasting him for not being honest to them about the personal medical information they had no right to know in the first place.

I'd be ok with this if he wasn't doing unmasked press conferences and he was following the rules for unvaxxed individuals. He did and he wasn't. He could have done it any number of other ways. Right to privacy doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want and flaunt the rules.

He lied to people he could have exposed and that is something someone entitled and disrespectful does. For me this is identical to Gobert playing around when he was actually sick and putting reporters at risk. Just as immature, just as reckless.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I don't disagree with you guys, but terms like "cancel culture" and "woke mob" are inherently political in nature, and have each led to locked threads in the past IIRC.

I'd just like sitewide consistency and an understanding of what I can and cannot post about.

Aaron Rodgers said these things in an interview. Are we now not allowed to talk about what he’s said? That seems crazy to me.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Lmao, Rodgers was unmasked on the sidelines and doing unmasked press conferences in front of the media. Of course he owes the people that he probably could have infected... Do we have proof the NFL knew and are only slapping him on the wrist now because people found out he lied? Or is everyone just assuming that?

I'd agree that he was wildly wrong if he lied to the NFL, his team, and his teammates about not being vaccinated. Since we don't have agreement on whether that is actually the case, I'll leave it there.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I don't disagree with you guys, but terms like "cancel culture" and "woke mob" are inherently political in nature, and have each led to locked threads in the past IIRC.

I'd just like sitewide consistency and an understanding of what I can and cannot post about.

That's why I'm not discussing what he meant by cancel culture or woke mob. I don't know and I don't care. My only, very limited point is what obligation he owes to people to whom he has no obligation to disclose his vaccination status. That's it.

If the NFL wants to blast him, I'm fine with that.

 

[kookoo]

I'd agree that he was wildly wrong if he lied to the NFL, his team, and his teammates about not being vaccinated. Since we don't have agreement on whether that is actually the case, I'll leave it there.

I feel like it would make sense if his team and teammates knew. I'd assume they want to win but also keep their best player happy. And I think people who were complicit in his lie should be fined as well. And if the NFL knew and were hiding it, while watching him pretty much break covid protocols that they've set up, they need backlash as well.

I don't think people necessarily owe others their vaccination status, but I also think it's dumb that people believe it's a violation to even be asked about it. It's not actually that personal of a question. Are you vaccinated for rubella? HOW DARE YOU ASK ME THAT? Especially because they run to monoclonal antibodies which is also injecting something into your body... The arguments get really paper thin when you see how they respond when they actually get covid. And unfortunately, it becomes political because so many people who don't have the resources all these celebrities and politicians do, end up following in their footsteps and regretting it when they're in the hospital.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I feel like it would make sense if his team and teammates knew. I'd assume they want to win but also keep their best player happy. And I think people who were complicit in his lie should be fined as well. And if the NFL knew and were hiding it, while watching him pretty much break covid protocols that they've set up, they need backlash as well.

I don't think people necessarily owe others their vaccination status, but I also think it's dumb that people believe it's a violation to even be asked about it. It's not actually that personal of a question. Are you vaccinated for rubella? HOW DARE YOU ASK ME THAT? Especially because they run to monoclonal antibodies which is also injecting something into your body... The arguments get really paper thin when you see how they respond when they actually get covid. And unfortunately, it becomes political because so many people who don't have the resources all these celebrities and politicians do, end up following in their footsteps and regretting it when they're in the hospital.

I don't disagree with much of this. The NFL is entitled to set up the rules it wants, and enforce them as it sees fit. The NFL itself made the decision that players' vaccination status would not be disclosed, else this would never be an issue.

If people want to look down on Rodgers for refusing to get vaxxed, that's their prerogative. And if Rodgers himself is pissed at people for claiming they had a right to know his vax status when he (and the NFL) believes they don't...I get that too.

I just think the reaction over Rodgers calling people part of the "woke mob" is overblown. You're mad at him for not disclosing/lying about it, and he's mad that he's expected to be public about information that the NFL says should be private. I just don't get the righteous anger on either side.