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I get it.

My alternative take would be that in a friendship, friends can “put each other down” for anything because they know their “enjoyments/desires” either don’t exist, they both share the enjoyments/desires and it’s a tit for tat type thing or there’s a mutual enjoyment of busting balls.

Actual bullying where there’s no established relationship def sucks. There’s also a fetish that’s developed for attacking celebrities and even attempting to cause their downfall. I don’t think it’s anything new, but with social media it’s much much easier. There are many people who push an anti-bullying stance and at the same time personally bully celebrities.

It’s a strange dichotomy. I know where it comes from (depression, desperation, unhappiness, low self esteem, etc) but the ability to separate the two is odd.

The other thing I described...development of trust between friends through ballbusting and false attacks is basically the equivalent of animals playing. I always felt it was healthy and natural. Feels good after.

Fucking furry.
 
I get it.

My alternative take would be that in a friendship, friends can “put each other down” for anything because they know their “enjoyments/desires” either don’t exist, they both share the enjoyments/desires and it’s a tit for tat type thing or there’s a mutual enjoyment of busting balls.

Actual bullying where there’s no established relationship def sucks. There’s also a fetish that’s developed for attacking celebrities and even attempting to cause their downfall. I don’t think it’s anything new, but with social media it’s much much easier. There are many people who push an anti-bullying stance and at the same time personally bully celebrities.

It’s a strange dichotomy. I know where it comes from (depression, desperation, unhappiness, low self esteem, etc) but the ability to separate the two is odd.

The other thing I described...development of trust between friends through ballbusting and false attacks is basically the equivalent of animals playing. I always felt it was healthy and natural. Feels good during and after if the right mutual “weaknesses” are chosen to attack.
idk about your assessment of the root.

Bullying often comes from people who think the other person deserves it, and is often performed by people with higher self esteem.

Sometimes just Critical people, who are aggressive. Just some people's temperaments
 
idk about your assessment of the root.

Bullying often comes from people who think the other person deserves it, and is often performed by people with higher self esteem.

Sometimes just Critical people, who are aggressive. Just some people's temperaments

I don’t mean bullying in general. I mean the attacking and bringing down of celebrities.

These are people who feel they are punching up and are taking out their own insecurities and misery on another person who is above them in a societal hierarchy.

Find me a secure person who is happy with their life situation who is actively trolling celebrities. I don’t think it’s particularly common.
 
Bullying often comes from people who think the other person deserves it, and is often performed by people with higher self esteem.
I disagree with that completely. Bullies are typically people who have low self esteem and the bullying is a way for them to feel good about themselves. It is finding superiority somehow because they feel inferior in a lot of ways.
 
I disagree with that completely. Bullies are typically people who have low self esteem and the bullying is a way for them to feel good about themselves. It is finding superiority somehow because they feel inferior in a lot of ways.

I remember seeing a theory at one time that matched @David. s point.

I think there are probably some people that this matches. Like think HS football jock that wedgies kids bc he’s at the top in the school hierarchy just bc he can. I think that guy exists, however more often than not I believe bullies are a result of environments where they are taking out learned behaviors on their surroundings.

Ie kid is getting the shit kicked out of them at home by dad/brothers/mom and takes that out on kids at school/girls and maybe never grows out of it. That person either figured it out and stops or grows into a child abuser, domestic abuser etc.

Think about how many of these people you know? Probably a fair amount.

I think the celebrity bullies are almost without exception the people that got bullied in HS and were lower on the totem pole and NOT the football jock guys. I have zero proof of this, just thinking about how that interaction would look in person and it WOULDNT look like the person behind the keyboard seeking out and attacking Kevin Durant.
 
Research studies have proven that there is no link between kids who behave aggressively toward other kids and low self-esteem. In fact, psychologists have found that kids who behave like bullies have high self-esteem



 
Research studies have proven that there is no link between kids who behave aggressively toward other kids and low self-esteem. In fact, psychologists have found that kids who behave like bullies have high self-esteem




This article states that bullies feel ashamed of themselves and thus know how to make others feel ashamed of themselves.

So it’s like a reverse empathy type of situation. Which sucks, because I think a lot of bullies have the potential to be good friends once they’re broken down.

Seems like they’re getting away on wording technicalities here.

People who are ashamed of themselves and are afraid of people discovering their weaknesses have high self esteem? I’m curious how these studies are being performed and whom they’re asking whether they have high self esteem. The bullies?

Why would a bully claim anything other than that they have high self esteem? They might not even know they don’t.

I can’t find the results of these studies anywhere but I’m trusting my instincts on this one, especially after reading the way this and other similar articles related to this theory have been phrased.

And ftr I’m not trying to prove you wrong. If you have better info, I’ll take an L here. It’s just something I’ve thought a lot about. I’m curious about it because I’ve BEEN a bully, I’ve BEEN bullied and I have kids that I don’t want to be on either side of the equation!
 
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This article states that bullies feel ashamed of themselves and thus know how to make others feel ashamed of themselves.

So it’s like a reverse empathy type of situation. Which sucks, because I think a lot of bullies have the potential to be good friends once they’re broken down.

Seems like they’re getting away on wording technicalities here.

People who are ashamed of themselves and are afraid of people discovering their weaknesses have high self esteem? I’m curious how these studies are being performed and whom they’re asking whether they have high self esteem. The bullies?

Why would a bully claim anything other than that they have high self esteem? They might not even know they don’t.

I can’t find the results of these studies anywhere but I’m trusting my instincts on this one, especially after reading the way this and other similar articles related to this theory have been phrased.

And ftr I’m not trying to prove you wrong. If you have better info, I’ll take an L here. It’s just something I’ve thought a lot about. I’m curious about it because I’ve BEEN a bully, I’ve BEEN bullied and I have kids that I don’t want to be on either side of the equation!
They have sensitivity towards shame, not low self esteem. Not the same thing

Sometimes Someone is mean to someone because they think they suck. They know how to hurt them so theyu go for it.
 
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