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All-Stiff Team -- Small Forward Poll (And damn, do these guys really suck...)

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All-Stiff Team -- Small Forwards (My God, do these guys suck....)


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I'm bored so I went ahead and did a quick look. I tried to be reasonable with it. I tried to keep the picks in the same ballpark. I didn't go with Antetokounmpo who was selected 15th when the Cavs had the #1 overall pick. All of these guys were within 4 picks of the Cavs selection. So here it goes


1984: Tim McCormick 4 picks later John Stockton
1985: Charles Oakley 4 picks later: Karl Malone
1989: John Morton 1 pick later: Vlade Divac
1996: Vitaly Potapenko 1 pick later: Kobe Bryant
1999: Andre Miller 1 pick later: Shawn Marion
2001: DeSagana Diop 2 picks later: Joe Johnson
2002: Dajuan Wagner 3 picks later: Amare Stoudemire
2012: Dion Waters (AAAAAYYYYYYEEEE) 2 picks later Damian Lillard
2013: Anthony Bennett 1 pick later: Victor Oladipo

Line up of
C: Amare Stoudemire
PF: Karl Malone
SF: Shawn Marion
SG: Kobe Bryant
PG: John Stockton

Key Reserves: Damian Lillard, Victor Oladipo, Joe Johnson and Vlade Divac

To be honest, Oakley and Miller are good picks.

The rest are indefensible.
 
George Mikan's son.
 
So where is Luke Jackson, our 10th overall pick which we traded into Dwayne Jones?
 
Gee was an NBA standard player, sure he should have been like 8th man instead of starting SF but he was an NBA player.
Players like Graham, Stauskas and Karasev had no business being in the NBA even as bench players
I disagree.

Gee didn't belong in the NBA either.
 
I'm bored so I went ahead and did a quick look. I tried to be reasonable with it. I tried to keep the picks in the same ballpark. I didn't go with Antetokounmpo who was selected 15th when the Cavs had the #1 overall pick. All of these guys were within 4 picks of the Cavs selection. So here it goes


1984: Tim McCormick 4 picks later John Stockton
1985: Charles Oakley 4 picks later: Karl Malone
1989: John Morton 1 pick later: Vlade Divac
1996: Vitaly Potapenko 1 pick later: Kobe Bryant
1999: Andre Miller 1 pick later: Shawn Marion
2001: DeSagana Diop 2 picks later: Joe Johnson
2002: Dajuan Wagner 3 picks later: Amare Stoudemire
2012: Dion Waters (AAAAAYYYYYYEEEE) 2 picks later Damian Lillard
2013: Anthony Bennett 1 pick later: Victor Oladipo

Line up of
C: Amare Stoudemire
PF: Karl Malone
SF: Shawn Marion
SG: Kobe Bryant
PG: John Stockton

Key Reserves: Damian Lillard, Victor Oladipo, Joe Johnson and Vlade Divac
Don't forget that when we draft Kobe, we'll need to trade him to the Lakers for Vlade Divac.

So, now we technically have two Vlade Divac's on the roster.
 
I disagree.

Gee didn't belong in the NBA either.
Really I would say his first season and probably around half his second season he played at a similar standard to Cedi (obviously players had didn't strengths), he dropped off in his final season
 
Really I would say his first season and probably around half his second season he played at a similar standard to Cedi (obviously players had didn't strengths), he dropped off in his final season
Well, I don't think Cedi is a good player either, but I think he's significantly more useful than Gee simply because he's a decent shooter.
 
I watched all these guys - and some were truly horrible. I admit (Mea Maxima Culpa) that here (and in the other poles as well) I have voted for `biggest disappointments` - to me - rather than `biggest stiffs`. Yep, Bennet and Keys were truly awful (and made my top three) - but my first pick was still Jiri Welsch. We gave up two picks for him at a time that a useful player (a Cedi level player for example) would have made a real difference in LeBron`s early years. At the time it did seem that Jiri, in the right situation might be that player. He even looked fairly good on the Celtics ocassionally. Maybe he would be the guy that made a difference! It was a time of new hope - and mine was high. Immediately Jiri, and the Cavs as a whole cratered - and lost several games in a row. He was one of a series of ultimately wasted first round draft picks (Luke, Brown, Hixon, Eyenga). I still think Luke (barring injury) may have been useful - but Jiri, at least at the time, really hurt. And he was terrible.
 
I watched all these guys - and some were truly horrible. I admit (Mea Maxima Culpa) that here (and in the other poles as well) I have voted for `biggest disappointments` - to me - rather than `biggest stiffs`. Yep, Bennet and Keys were truly awful (and made my top three) - but my first pick was still Jiri Welsch. We gave up two picks for him at a time that a useful player (a Cedi level player for example) would have made a real difference in LeBron`s early years. At the time it did seem that Jiri, in the right situation might be that player. He even looked fairly good on the Celtics ocassionally. Maybe he would be the guy that made a difference! It was a time of new hope - and mine was high. Immediately Jiri, and the Cavs as a whole cratered - and lost several games in a row. He was one of a series of ultimately wasted first round draft picks (Luke, Brown, Hixon, Eyenga). I still think Luke (barring injury) may have been useful - but Jiri, at least at the time, really hurt. And he was terrible.

If I remember correctly, we acquired Welsch with the expectation that he'd be a knockdown shooter, but the thing was that he wasn't that good of a shooter with Boston either the year before. Only 32.3% from three. But guys were saying that he had a great looking shot with good form, so sooner or later it had to start going in. But it never did.

I suppose that's something to remember when we judge guys more off how they look when they shoot versus how many they actually make.
 
George Mikan's son.

Ed Mikan...I didn't have a write-up on him in the original thread, and the polling limited me to only 10 guys so I had to leave some out. But it was pretty clear that apple must have been launched by a trebuchet when it fell off that tree.

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