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Andraez “Greedy” Williams: Round 2, Pick 46

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Looks like the browns realized that they need a new body in the secondary now.

Browns CB Greedy Williams to IR with a nerve injury in his shoulder, but Kevin Stefanski is hopeful he’ll return this season


Browns starting cornerback Greedy Williams will be placed on injured reserve today with a nerve injury in his shoulder that hasn’t responded to treatment, coach Kevin Stefanski said.
He said Williams, who missed the first five games of the season, won’t require surgery, and that he’s hopeful he’ll make it back this season. He must miss at least three games, but he’s out indefinitely.
Originally, the Browns described him as day-to-day, hoping it was a short-term thing.
He’s the second Browns starting defensive back to suffer a serious injury this season. Second-round safety Grant Delpit, Williams' former LSU teammate, is out for the year with a ruptured Achilles.
 

Browns cornerback Greedy Williams, who has been unable to take the field all season because of a shoulder injury, detailed the issue in a series of tweets Monday afternoon prior to the team's game against the Baltimore Ravens on "Monday Night Football."
Williams said he has been rehabbing from axillary nerve damage in his shoulder. The injury leads to loss of movement or sensation in that area, according to various medical websites.
Williams suffered the injury Aug. 24, with the Browns putting the second-year player on injured reserve in October. In his place, Terrance Mitchell has started opposite Denzel Ward, who was producing a stellar season until a calf injury sidelined him. Ward missed Monday night’s game against the Ravens, his third consecutive.
The prognosis for recovery from Williams's injury is dependent on the severity, and its treatment ranges from physical therapy to surgery.
“This what I’ve been fight this season this just takes time to recover,” Williams said in a tweet. “I’ll be back ASAP.”
 

For those expecting Greedy to be a part of the future.
i said something right after they made the playoffs when it was rumored Greedy would be coming back.

I think he ends up retiring. Nerve damage that isnt healing, thats not good. Dude would be a lot safer just to hang things up
 
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This may be absolutely meaningless...but this picture that Greedy posted today makes it look like he hasn’t seen a gym in quite a while. He used to be slim in stature but he had some muscle tone. I’m not sure this version could do 10 reps of 25lb curl.


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This may be absolutely meaningless...but this picture that Greedy posted today makes it look like he hasn’t seen a gym in quite a while. He used to be slim in stature but he had some muscle tone. I’m not sure this version could do 10 reps of 25lb curl.


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He's using both hands at least!

That arm ain't completely numb.

But yes... he looks like he's back in high school.

At this point I don't expect to see him on the field ever again. Time to plan ahead.

His return would be a bonus.
 
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This may be absolutely meaningless...but this picture that Greedy posted today makes it look like he hasn’t seen a gym in quite a while. He used to be slim in stature but he had some muscle tone. I’m not sure this version could do 10 reps of 25lb curl.
Dang. Did a double take...

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Guy with nerve damage here.

I’m certainly no professional athlete nor can I read someone else’s mind but...

I spent a few months with loss of sensation from shoulders all the way down to toes and didn’t know what, if anything, I’d ever get back.

That experience alone is terrifying. If the dude has never not been able to feel his arm and suddenly can’t, that shit can consume your life when it happens. I’m sure there are people out there who lose sensation in body parts and don’t obsess over it and experience depression, panic attacks and just become a complete mess...

But based on conversation I’ve had with other people who have lost sensation in significant parts of their body, until you get used to it its a big fucking deal and the experience is pretty common. When you do get used to it its annoying and something to deal with.

If I were to take a guess if the dude really did lose sensation in his entire arm, he might be happy never to play football again.
 
Guy with nerve damage here.

I’m certainly no professional athlete nor can I read someone else’s mind but...

I spent a few months with loss of sensation from shoulders all the way down to toes and didn’t know what, if anything, I’d ever get back.

That experience alone is terrifying. If the dude has never not been able to feel his arm and suddenly can’t, that shit can consume your life when it happens. I’m sure there are people out there who lose sensation in body parts and don’t obsess over it and experience depression, panic attacks and just become a complete mess...

But based on conversation I’ve had with other people who have lost sensation in significant parts of their body, until you get used to it its a big fucking deal and the experience is pretty common. When you do get used to it its annoying and something to deal with.

If I were to take a guess if the dude really did lose sensation in his entire arm, he might be happy never to play football again.
Sooo.... How you like "the stranger"?
 
Guy with nerve damage here.

I’m certainly no professional athlete nor can I read someone else’s mind but...

I spent a few months with loss of sensation from shoulders all the way down to toes and didn’t know what, if anything, I’d ever get back.

That experience alone is terrifying. If the dude has never not been able to feel his arm and suddenly can’t, that shit can consume your life when it happens. I’m sure there are people out there who lose sensation in body parts and don’t obsess over it and experience depression, panic attacks and just become a complete mess...

But based on conversation I’ve had with other people who have lost sensation in significant parts of their body, until you get used to it its a big fucking deal and the experience is pretty common. When you do get used to it its annoying and something to deal with.

If I were to take a guess if the dude really did lose sensation in his entire arm, he might be happy never to play football again.
I lost nerve function almost 27 years ago, and FWIW for me once the challenge of recovery and regaining maximum function was over with it just became a fact of life, and something to be dealt with. To be sure annoying as hell, and persistent intermittent pain to this day. But mostly just a PITA.

I couldn't imagine how a professional athlete could continue with the nature of injury that I suffered, I'm sure it would be a career ender for that occupation. For me I just had to transition to working more with what's between the ears instead of from the neck down. (TL/DR; more details below if anyone's bored).

I was injured in a work related accident in 1993, and my C5 nerve was pulled out of the spinal cord. At first I couldn't lift my left arm at all until about a year later a surgery was performed to try to graft the nerve back together <unsuccessful, and this is when they actually figured out it was pulled out at the spinal cord>. But during that surgery they cleaned up a bunch of scar tissue and excessive bone that had grown over the nerve cluster beneath the collar bone, and all the surrounding nerves and muscles came back to life so I got back function of everything not connected to the C5 nerve. My deltoid was left numb and dead but the surrounding muscles gave my shoulder functionality. I've been rated as 40% permanently disabled since then. I transitioned into management and safety and never missed a beat. In the past year the surrounding muscles have gotten weaker and functionality has decreased for using that arm above shoulder level, but being in my mid '60's I suppose it's not unusual for shit to start going downhill from old injuries.
 
Sooo.... How you like "the stranger"?

im mostly good now. I have a patch on my pec to right upper arm that itches all the time and gets electric shock sensations, but otherwise no more of that.

For most of the summer I couldnt really feel my dick though, so it wasnt just my arm that was a stranger it was my dick too. Couldnt blow a load for months. Nightmare.

I lost nerve function almost 27 years ago, and FWIW for me once the challenge of recovery and regaining maximum function was over with it just became a fact of life, and something to be dealt with. To be sure annoying as hell, and persistent intermittent pain to this day. But mostly just a PITA.

I couldn't imagine how a professional athlete could continue with the nature of injury that I suffered, I'm sure it would be a career ender for that occupation. For me I just had to transition to working more with what's between the ears instead of from the neck down. (TL/DR; more details below if anyone's bored).

I was injured in a work related accident in 1993, and my C5 nerve was pulled out of the spinal cord. At first I couldn't lift my left arm at all until about a year later a surgery was performed to try to graft the nerve back together <unsuccessful, and this is when they actually figured out it was pulled out at the spinal cord>. But during that surgery they cleaned up a bunch of scar tissue and excessive bone that had grown over the nerve cluster beneath the collar bone, and all the surrounding nerves and muscles came back to life so I got back function of everything not connected to the C5 nerve. My deltoid was left numb and dead but the surrounding muscles gave my shoulder functionality. I've been rated as 40% permanently disabled since then. I transitioned into management and safety and never missed a beat. In the past year the surrounding muscles have gotten weaker and functionality has decreased for using that arm above shoulder level, but being in my mid '60's I suppose it's not unusual for shit to start going downhill from old injuries.
Agree with this. I am extremely grateful with how much function I got back and now I just find it to be an annoyance. I just have to prevent myself from trying to scratch it like an idiot dog.

The initial experience was terrible. Now, I’m very pleased with where I am.
 
im mostly good now. I have a patch on my pec to right upper arm that itches all the time and gets electric shock sensations, but otherwise no more of that.

For most of the summer I couldnt really feel my dick though, so it wasnt just my arm that was a stranger it was my dick too. Couldnt blow a load for months. Nightmare.


Agree with this. I am extremely grateful with how much function I got back and now I just find it to be an annoyance. I just have to prevent myself from trying to scratch it like an idiot dog.

The initial experience was terrible. Now, I’m very pleased with where I am.
Yep. My initial experience was going from a near death experience, and the experience of being totally fucked physically for the better part of 2 years, to being considered a medical miracle by my primary physician who managed all the surgeries and rehab, and being able to continue in my occupation albeit in a different role. I have always been beyond grateful for where things ended up in spite of the negative consequences.
 
It can be more than just a loss of feeling too. Nerve damage can make it really difficult to build and maintain muscle strength... might explain his smaller physique.
 
The knock on Greed coming into camp was that he was not a tackler.


How it happened
“We were doing this tackling drill,’' Williams said. “It’s supposed to be receivers running towards the sideline and we just wrap them up like formal tackling or whatever. It got out of hand and guys just started hitting like crazy with all of their force. I went and tried to hit a guy with all my force and he ducked his head into my shoulder and ran through my shoulder.’'
He felt a searing sting in the right shoulder and then his whole arm went numb, like someone flipped off the switch.
“I had never felt anything like it before,’' he said. “I couldn’t move it, so that’s why if you see on the video I was carrying it [close to his body] because I couldn’t feel my arm.’'
By the time he got into the training room, some of the feeling had returned, but the shoulder was still sore. The Browns described his injury as “day-to-day’' and believed he’d be on the field soon, gearing up to take a big leap in his second year opposite Denzel Ward. But day-to-day soon turned into “week-to-week,’' and Williams’ condition was shrouded in mystery.
“After like three or four days, it was still kind of numb and sore, so we waited for like a week or two weeks and it was still the same way,’' Williams said.
Depression hits
The doubts and the depression crept in almost immediately, and Williams struggled to keep his head up. He had overcome a demoralizing draft day slide into the second round, and missed the first four games of his rookie year with a pulled hamstring. He was eager to return in 2020 and show the NFL world what he could do.
“I never missed a game in college,’' Williams said. “I came back and I was like ‘OK, I’m ready to go. I got my feet wet, it’s my time.’’'
Every couple of weeks, Williams underwent an electromyography test in which fine needles were inserted into the shoulder to get the muscle to fire.
Each week, nothing.
[...]​
Reality sets in
As the season slipped away and Terrance Mitchell held down the fort in his spot, Williams came to grips with the fact he might not play at all in 2020. Finally, on Oct. 12, the Browns placed him on injured reserve and acknowledged that his season could be over. By that time, Williams knew that he had suffered severe damage to the axillary nerve in his shoulder, which impacts the deltoid muscle among others. He was told it was at least a 6-12-month injury.
“The trainers, the coaches, the players, everybody was involved, texting me like, ‘We know you’re going to shake back from it, just keep your head up, just keep going,’’' Williams said. “Even [GM Andrew Berry]. I hopped on Zoom meetings with AB, and he was just telling me how proud he was of my off-the-field work and how I was attacking my rehab. Everybody motivated me to keep going, so that kept me pushing.’'
The Trolls Attack
At the same time, Williams had to deal with fans and trolls on social media accusing him of faking the injury and not having the heart and desire to play the game.
“That was kind of one of those things was messing with me too,’' Williams said. “People don’t understand really what nerve damage is. It’s a serious matter for your health. Nerves are weird. They work on their own time, so you just never know.’'
[...]
The shoulder awakens
Around [Feb 13th] Williams felt his shoulder coming back to life. A new beginning in so many ways.
“When I was first able to just to reach across my body, and hold it by myself, it was just like a big shock to me and I was happy,’' he said. “I couldn’t wait to tell [the Browns medical staff] about the progression and how the shoulder was moving. It’s been it’s been a lot of excitement from there on out.’'
Williams arrived back in Cleveland on Monday and had a great checkup with the Browns medical staff that day. He estimates he’s about 60% of the way back, with five months to go before the start of training camp.
“The [doctors] said, ‘You know, we see it,’’' Williams said. “They were just like ‘keep working, keep going.’’'
The fateful EMG test
But the true test came Wednesday when he had to undergo the intimidating EMG test. Would the muscle fire? Would it finally respond? It did, and he felt the same exhilaration he did tossing the blue confetti in the air during the gender reveal.
 
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