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This idea is just speculation, although all concerned parties have been mentioned in trades.

The Cavaliers don't want to help the biggest boys in the West (Spurs/Suns/Mavs) if they can help it. They'd rather make their competition stronger, thus improving the likelihood of one (or more) of them getting knocked-out of the championship-race, come play-off time.

Keeping that in-mind:

Cleveland may agree to send Gooden to Golden State, as long as they take Ira Newble with him...which is almost the exact amount of the trade exception.

However, they would send that exception to Seattle, who would, in-turn, send the Cavaliers Luke Ridnour and Robert Swift; Also almost a perfect fit money-wise.

Seattle is happy because they get rid of two players they have no use for. Cleveland gets Swift to take the backup C/PF position behind Z and Varejao, and they get their PG in the same deal...without spending a dime extra.

GS gets Gooden, and has to deal with Ira for a season, or buy him out.

Cleveland Dumps Wesley for his 250K buy-out, then they are free to sign Varejao to an agreeable extention, and either A) Trade Sasha or B) resign him. Personally, I'd rather they sign him to a 3-year deal, with a team option for a 4th.
 

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That's interesting speculation. My only concern is lack of clarity on how good Ridnour is. I haven't seen him play that much, but I remember that Watson took a lot of his time last year. His offensive stats aren't overwhelming, and my recollection about his defense isn't all that positive. Beggars can't be choosy, but is he the solution to our point guard problem?
 

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So:

hughes/luke/snow
pavs/gibson/Damon Jones
james/brown/rice
AV/Blatche/Marshall
Z/Swift/Dwayne Jones

The first unit is what we're used to seeing. The second unit is extremely young with lots of potential. Interesting. It's not exactly Marion, but better than our current team.
 

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That's assuming we don't get outbid for Blatche.
 

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aaronr said:
That's interesting speculation. My only concern is lack of clarity on how good Ridnour is. I haven't seen him play that much, but I remember that Watson took a lot of his time last year. His offensive stats aren't overwhelming, and my recollection about his defense isn't all that positive. Beggars can't be choosy, but is he the solution to our point guard problem?

Here's what ESPN's insider says:
Hollinger Player Profile | Stats Key
SEASON FG% FT% P/40 R/40 A/40 TS% Ast TO Usg Reb PER
2003-04 .414 .823 13.7 3.9 5.9 49.6 26.0 12.7 18.6 5.7 13.16
2004-05 .405 .883 12.8 3.2 7.5 50.4 33.3 10.3 18.0 4.9 14.63
2005-06 .418 .877 13.8 3.6 8.4 50.6 34.1 10.1 18.6 5.4 16.04
2006-07 .433 .805 14.9 3.1 7.0 50.9 28.6 12.1 19.9 4.7 13.74
2006-07 (projected) .414 .862 13.9 3.5 7.6 51.0 32.1 9.8 19.3 5.4 16.17

2005-06 season: While the Sonics as a team struggled, Ridnour quietly had the best year of his young career, even earning a surprise invitation to the U.S. national team after the season. While his outside shot deserted him -- he hit only 28.9 percent of his 3-pointers -- he made up for it in other areas. Ridnour was more proactive about getting to the hoop, increasing his free-throw rate and, slightly, his field-goal percentage. Those extra foul shots also kept his TS% above 50 despite the 3-point struggles. The long-range shot has never been a big part of Ridnour's arsenal anyway -- he averaged fewer than two attempts per game last year.

Ridnour's real stock in trade is as a pure point guard, and here he didn't disappoint. His assist ratio ranked eighth in the NBA, and he did it without turning the ball over -- his turnover ratio was 19th among point guards. Overall, Ridnour's pure point ratio ranked seventh in the league, in the company of six much more heralded names (Steve Nash, Brevin Knight, Chauncey Billups, Baron Davis, Jason Kidd, and Chris Paul).

Scouting report: Along with Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis, Ridnour was the third piece of the Sonics' all-offense, no-defense perimeter triumvirate. His defense was the least despicable of the three, but suffice it to say that he's primarily an offensive player. Ridnour has quick hands and decent anticipation, so his steals totals are always solid, but he has zero strength, average lateral movement and can be shot over. He'd have been burned worse if it hadn't been so easy to score on the Sonics' wing players.

Ridnour is fairly small at 175 pounds, and there has to be a concern that the pounding will wear him down. Last year he was able to play 79 games, and he played all 82 the year before. However, he was limping through many of them. Ridnour seemingly was day-to-day all season with injuries to his chest, elbow, ankle, knee and shoulder.

2006-07 outlook: Performance-wise, Ridnour's output shouldn't change much. His 3-point percentage should recover to the low-to-mid 30s this year, and might take his TS% up a few ticks along with it, but expecting further improvement from this point is unlikely at the offensive end. Defensively, it's another matter -- like every Sonic, he'll need to make a quantum leap in effort after the noticeable post-McMillan slacking of a year ago.

Ridnour might not play 33.2 minutes per game again, though. The arrival of Earl Watson at the trade deadline brought in some competition at the point, and Watson provides the one thing Seattle desperately needs -- a quality defender. The two will be competing for some time apparently, as Ridnour signed a three-year, $19 million extension that puts both Sonic point guards under contract through 2010.
 

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Ridnour also had the advantage of playing along side Lewis and Allen. A baked potato could get a lot of assists playing minutes with those two. Not so clear that Ridnour will do nearly as well when he isn't playing along side two All-pro shooters.

I think his contract is way too large for what he could contribute in Cleveland. Bad investment.
 

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Style said:
So:

hughes/luke/snow
pavs/gibson/Damon Jones
james/brown/rice
AV/Blatche/Marshall
Z/Swift/Dwayne Jones

The first unit is what we're used to seeing. The second unit is extremely young with lots of potential. Interesting. It's not exactly Marion, but better than our current team.
Did I miss the press release where we signed Andray Blatche waited a week and Washington didn't match?
 

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cdt said:
Did I miss the press release where we signed Andray Blatche waited a week and Washington didn't match?
I was thinking the same thing. I think most of us are assuming he will be our backup PF target once the AV/Gooden situation gets wprked out.
 

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chiefwahoo56 said:
I was thinking the same thing. I think most of us are assuming he will be our backup PF target once the AV/Gooden situation gets wprked out.
I wouldn't say most of us.

I think that it's just about one of the most unlikely scenarios out there. Blatche coming to Cleveland is like saying Varejao is going to Washington. It isn't happening.

We use plugs for the back-ups, or kids w/o much experience. We aren't going to get Blatche because he's gonna want to start soon, and it isn't gonna happen here unless we unload Varejao.

I thinking that by Monday or Tuesday we'll have some sort of announcement concerning the Cavs and what they're doing.
 

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We all know what Cleveland needs (or at-least we think we do, and that's good 'nuff for a fan-forum), and we have all heard the more-prominent rumors.

As far as point-guards go, we have been linked to many...some have signed contracts with other clubs in the interim and some have been taken-out of the "running" by their current club, or by the Cavaliers.

Earl Boykins,Brevin Knight,Jarret Jack,Jose Calderon have all been removed from consideration by one source or another.

Those still under consideration: Earl Watson,Luke Ridnour,Mike Bibby,Jason Terry,Rafer Alston,Chris Duhon,Beno Udrih,Juan Carlos Navarro.
  • I think Chris Duhon is unlikely because Chicago doesn't want to help the Cavs, and the Cavs aren't gonna send the Bulls anything they need to get better in return for Duhon. So the chances of Duhon coming to Cleveland by way of Chicago is unlikely.
  • I also think Rafer Alston may be unlikely because it appears that Houston and Miami may have a deal in the works. But even w/o Miami in the way, I think Rafer is at the end of our want-list.
  • Earl Watson and Luke Ridnour are a tie. Seattle could go in either direction. Earl has a better contract, but he is also older, and PJ Carlisimo wants to go young. At any rate, either would be acceptable to us, and would be dependant on a third team because we don't really have anything that Seattle wants.
  • Mike Bibby. The Bibby-Rumors are getting pretty old and Geoff Petrie may have priced himself out of a deal. The Cavs are still interested in Bibby, but they are pursuing other avenues.
  • Jason Terry is the Odd-man out in Dallas. The Mavs would like to keep him, but Devin Harris is too good to not be starting full-time, and they need a SF and some post-presence, and Jason is their only real commodity. They are interested in Sasha and would likely jump at a Sasha-for-Jason trade, but I think the Cavs will keep that on the back-burner until they see if they can get a better deal.
  • Juan Navarro. He isn't really a point guard, and I doubt that Ferry is going to do much to get him. If he can pick him up for good value, he will, but there won't be any rushes to beat the BC deadline.
  • Beno Udrih. Beno is looking more and more like the Cavaliers' future point-guard. The Spurs have almost no use for him anymore, and his value will drop considerably by next summer unless Parker is injured and Beno manages to get significant play due to that. I don't think the Spurs will be betting on that though.

So, as far as PG goes, I think that we'll have a trade done for one of 3 likely PGs:
Earl Watson,Luke Ridnour or Beno Udrih.

Mike Bibby and Jason Terry are the other possibilities. And Smush Parker is always out there too, albeit a long-shot.


The Cavaliers' other focus is on another center.

I am looking for them to make a deal for one of the Wiz' bigs (Expiring contracts for big+draft pick)

The other possibilities out there are numerous, but off the top of my head Elson,Swift and Dale Davis are all distinct possibilities.
 

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heathmalc said:
[*]Jason Terry is the Odd-man out in Dallas. The Mavs would like to keep him, but Devin Harris is too good to not be starting full-time, and they need a SF and some post-presence, and Jason is their only real commodity. They are interested in Sasha and would likely jump at a Sasha-for-Jason trade, but I think the Cavs will keep that on the back-burner until they see if they can get a better deal.

Dallas would (likely, big caveat) jump at a "Sasha for Jason trade," and we'd keep that on the backburner to see if something better came around? Maybe the game these days is all about money, but talent wise it's hard to see how we'd get more for Sasha than JET. Maybe Sasha is lot better than I think he is.r
 

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You can go ahead and cross off the Alston to Miami deal, and Smush Parker as well. He agreed to a 2 year contract with the Miami Heat. Looks like the heat got their PG, albeit, not a great one.
 

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xsabre420 said:
You can go ahead and cross off the Alston to Miami deal, and Smush Parker as well. He agreed to a 2 year contract with the Miami Heat. Looks like the heat got their PG, albeit, not a great one.
Sorry about that... I wrote that Monday and didn't even think about checking to update it. Anyways, thanks for pointing that out.
 

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Looks like the Bobcats may be interested in Eric Snow.

Adam Morrison and Primoz Brezec???
 

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heathmalc said:
Looks like the Bobcats may be interested in Eric Snow.

Adam Morrison and Primoz Brezec???
There's no way that'd happen.
 

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