Are we watching a future Hall of Famer?

[MadThinker88]

I believe Lofton will get into the HOF eventually (via veterans committee).

On another note I think all the Hall of Fames need to be restructured. Have wings/ chambers for each decade. To qualify for a chamber the player was playing for 6 years in that decade.

A player needs to be in at least 1 chamber before being voted into the main HOF. The more chambers a player is in, the lower the threshold to get into the main HOF (80% vote for 1 chamber but only 65% if 2 chambers).

This allows for the very good to get recognized & acknowledgment of games changing over time. I doubt we will see a 300 game winner again or someone pitching 250 innings going forward but those were used as standards for measuring how good pitchers were.

 

[Gson]

I believe Lofton will get into the HOF eventually (via veterans committee).

On another note I think all the Hall of Fames need to be restructured. Have wings/ chambers for each decade. To qualify for a chamber the player was playing for 6 years in that decade.

A player needs to be in at least 1 chamber before being voted into the main HOF. The more chambers a player is in, the lower the threshold to get into the main HOF (80% vote for 1 chamber but only 65% if 2 chambers).

This allows for the very good to get recognized & acknowledgment of games changing over time. I doubt we will see a 300 game winner again or someone pitching 250 innings going forward but those were used as standards for measuring how good pitchers were.

The standard bearers need overhauling, too...

 

[Alabuckeye]

I believe Lofton will get into the HOF eventually (via veterans committee).

On another note I think all the Hall of Fames need to be restructured. Have wings/ chambers for each decade. To qualify for a chamber the player was playing for 6 years in that decade.

A player needs to be in at least 1 chamber before being voted into the main HOF. The more chambers a player is in, the lower the threshold to get into the main HOF (80% vote for 1 chamber but only 65% if 2 chambers).

This allows for the very good to get recognized & acknowledgment of games changing over time. I doubt we will see a 300 game winner again or someone pitching 250 innings going forward but those were used as standards for measuring how good pitchers were.

I like this idea. It gives recognition to the changes of the game and provides distinctions that are necessary to understand the statistical differences.

In that scenario, I’d be willing to put Clemens, Bonds, McGuire and ARod into the 90’s hall because MLB was complicit in their shenanigans

 

[RaidenDAWG2]

If Jose is able to sustain his production at good levels through 35/36, yes, I think he makes it eventually.

As of last night, he's at 231 home runs and 798 RBIs. Let's assume for a second he falls off his torrid pace this year and finishes with a mere 40 dingers and 120 driven in. That'd put him at roughly 256 and 866 respectively.

Now make another slight leap and say he averages (falling numbers of course) 25 additional jacks and 80 driven in for the next 4 years, adding another 125 and 400 to his respective career totals. We're then talking about a guy sitting just shy of 400 homers with more than 1,250 runs driven home.

Add in his stolen bases, hits (likely in the neighborhood of 2,000+), and a ton of doubles, and you've got yourself an at worst borderline Hall of Fame case.

 

[sportscoach]

If Jose is able to sustain his production at good levels through 35/36, yes, I think he makes it eventually.

As of last night, he's at 231 home runs and 798 RBIs. Let's assume for a second he falls off his torrid pace this year and finishes with a mere 40 dingers and 120 driven in. That'd put him at roughly 256 and 866 respectively.

Now make another slight leap and say he averages (falling numbers of course) 25 additional jacks and 80 driven in for the next 4 years, adding another 125 and 400 to his respective career totals. We're then talking about a guy sitting just shy of 400 homers with more than 1,250 runs driven home.

Add in his stolen bases, hits (likely in the neighborhood of 2,000+), and a ton of doubles, and you've got yourself an at worst borderline Hall of Fame case.

Problem is JRam isn't going to hit 500 HRs, 3000 hits etc and we got some voters who will not vote anyone in IF they don't get to those numbers...

Kenny Lofton had 68.4 career bWAR and the voters didn't even seem to care to vote for him... Ortiz had 55.3 bWAR but he got the 500 HRs...

This current crew of voters, I don't know if JRam would get in because of the fact he won't get any single category in the area they want it...

 

[RaidenDAWG2]

Problem is JRam isn't going to hit 500 HRs, 3000 hits etc and we got some voters who will not vote anyone in IF they don't get to those numbers...

Kenny Lofton had 68.4 career bWAR and the voters didn't even seem to care to vote for him... Ortiz had 55.3 bWAR but he got the 500 HRs...

This current crew of voters, I don't know if JRam would get in because of the fact he won't get any single category in the area they want it...

With those numbers, he's basically in Scott Rolen territory with no gold gloves, but a lot more stolen bases. In fact, if Jose can get to 300 swipes (90 more), there's exactly two guys in the Hall with that and even 300 homers: Willie Mayes and Andre Dawson.

 

[MattyFos.]

Problem is JRam isn't going to hit 500 HRs, 3000 hits etc and we got some voters who will not vote anyone in IF they don't get to those numbers...

Kenny Lofton had 68.4 career bWAR and the voters didn't even seem to care to vote for him... Ortiz had 55.3 bWAR but he got the 500 HRs...

This current crew of voters, I don't know if JRam would get in because of the fact he won't get any single category in the area they want it...

If Jose finishes his career in Cleveland the writers will punish him for that and that alone.

 

[Meatwad]

Both Kenny and JRam (if he keeps up the type of pace Raiden is talking about) will get in via vet committee. But I'd think J Ram could get in via voters. Long time to go.

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

The bad thing about the Hall of Fame is that I believe it values ultra-long careers over ones that were elite for 5--10 years. If a guy hangs on way past his shelf life and knocks another 50 over the fence in the last 3-4 years, that can be the difference. If you finish in the top 5 MVP voting on 5+ occasions or the same with Cy Young, you really should be in the Hall of Fame.

 

[MattyFos.]

I can't take the Baseball HOF seriously with Kenny Lofton sitting out.

 

[Cassity14]

The bad thing about the Hall of Fame is that I believe it values ultra-long careers over ones that were elite for 5--10 years. If a guy hangs on way past his shelf life and knocks another 50 over the fence in the last 3-4 years, that can be the difference. If you finish in the top 5 MVP voting on 5+ occasions or the same with Cy Young, you really should be in the Hall of Fame.

The Hall of Fame still hasn't corrected itself with starting pitchers either. The arbitrary 'golden numbers' of yesterday (for example, 300 wins) are much harder to attain in the current era. Eventually things will correct themselves, but a guy like Kluber is going to be a casualty to it not happening quickly enough.

 

[Alabuckeye]

The Hall of Fame still hasn't corrected itself with starting pitchers either. The arbitrary 'golden numbers' of yesterday (for example, 300 wins) are much harder to attain in the current era. Eventually things will correct themselves, but a guy like Kluber is going to be a casualty to it not happening quickly enough.

Looking at Corey’s stats, he had half of a HoF career. Basically 8 really good years worth of stats.

 

[-Akronite-]

I can't take the Baseball HOF seriously with Kenny Lofton sitting out.

It's got to be the worst of the major Halls at selection. The combination of the sport's age, the weird culture of the BWAA, the sheer volume of players overall (while individuals have a limited impact on winning), and of course scandals like steroids, it's a mess. You have some of the greatest, most iconic players, who you simply couldn't tell the story of baseball without, not making it.

The guy with the most hits - not in. The guy with the most homers - not in. The guy with the most Cy Youngs - not in. And those ones might be for cause, but there are so many snubs because the litmus tests are all over the map.

 

[CATS44]

IMO Cooperstown is the best of the HOFs.

The NFL puts way too many in. Czonka as an example. Love the guy, but he's in because of two great years on an historic Dolphins team.

Its a lot harder in baseball. You have to be very good for a very long time.

As for Jose, he has to stay healthy, which is gonna be hard for him, because he plays so hard. He punishes his body. But his numbers are fine, and his WAR is comparable to many already in.

At age 31, he will have 51 fWAR by the end of the season....the same as Robbie Alomar. Robbie only had two more good years. Robbie will end up with more hits and stolen bases, but half as many home runs.

What would really help his cause is a lot of post season play in which he plays very well, esp in a World Series. So far, he hasnt done that.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I think he will make it, but I'd feel much better about it if Abreu didn't get the MVP over him in 2020. An MVP would go a long way

I think 300 steals would also go a long way. Hopefully he gets to 30+ this year which would put him 68 away. At a certain point the steals are gonna stop coming so if he can sneak out another 30 or 2 season it would go a long way

Agreed with the postseason play. Obviously a tiny sample size, but he's been considerably worse in the postseason. At best it's a nonfactor, but it would be nice to flip that to a positive factor for multiple reasons