Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

[The Human Q-Tip]

I also think that it's really weird how people ignore the last few months of Baker being here like it didn't happen.

There are some who want to ignore the last 3 years of Watson being here....

We can't ignore Baker's last few months here because it was a train wreck. The issue at the time was how we got to that point, and if it was something the Browns could/should have been able to avoid.

 

[Los216]

I supported Baker as much as anyone when he was here. But you are right about this. As much as Baker helped to change the culture, it was time to move on, and it was clear.

I remember absolutely knowing Bake's time in Cleveland was done that night That TJ Watt was toying with him. I was second-hand embarrassed for him. But I can also be happy he's worked his way back despite his limitations as a QB.

The image of him walking off the field after the DET game at HOME in which we WON will stick with me. It felt like he was letting his personal frustrations with his situation out on the fans and there was no coming back from that.

Also, I was in the stadium the night that Myles cracked Mason Rudolph in the head with the helmet and boy......................when Baker did that post game presser and didn't have Myles back.............it was a wrap right then and there. I don't think Baker's relationship with Myles ever recovered from that. That always gets ignored but one of the things that I was reminded of about Baker was that some of his teammates didn't fuck with him. Outside of football, there were guys that really could not fuck with him and at that point in his career, Baker had not been in the league long enough to survive his tenure here

 

[Los216]

There are some who want to ignore the last 3 years of Watson being here....

We can't ignore Baker's last few months here because it was a train wreck. The issue at the time was how we got to that point, and if it was something the Browns could/should have been able to avoid.

A lot of Baker's stuff was self inflicted. From his injuries to losing the locker room. He had plenty of opportunities to not step in shit but he chose to step right in it every time. That's one of the things that people loved about him but fail to hold him accountable for. That brashness.

 

[Vee-Rex]

I don't think people are dunking on Baker. I think that it's much more of a case where Baker fans can't keep his name out of their mouths and they don't miss an opportunity to be nostalgic about him.

I also think that it's really weird how people ignore the last few months of Baker being here like it didn't happen. There was a lot of shit that people simply choose to ignore to try and prop up Baker or shit on The Browns. As a Browns fan, I think that's corny but people are free to feel how they wanna feel.

CFB on FOX on Instagram: "“I just felt like it was the right thing for me to do.” Texas LB Anthony Hill Jr. on his postgame celebration where he planted a Texas flag in a Baker Mayfield jersey : CJ Vogel/X"

56K likes, 933 comments - cfbonfox on October 12, 2024: "“I just felt like it was the right thing for me to do.” Texas LB Anthony Hill Jr. on his postgame celebration where he planted a Texas flag in a Baker Mayfield jersey : CJ Vogel/X".

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I am always all in when it comes to dunking on Baker Mayfield.

 

[Los216]

lolololololololololololol

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

There's something about Baker that keeps a segment of teh fans nostalgic about him. I know what it is but it will hurt peoples feelings if I say it so.............

I assume you are referring to beating the Steelers two critical games in a row, and making it to the second round of the playoffs for the first time since 1994. Because yeah, I'm very nostalgic for that.

Aren't you?

Can't imagine why that would hurt anyone's feelings, though.

 

[Los216]

I assume you are referring to beating the Steelers two critical games in a row, and making it to the second round of the playoffs for the first time since 1994. Because yeah, I'm very nostalgic for that.

Aren't you?

Can't imagine why that would hurt anyone's feelings, though.

No. It has less to do with football and more to do with the imagery.

 

[Biw]

I assume you are referring to beating the Steelers two critical games in a row, and making it to the second round of the playoffs for the first time since 1994. Because yeah, I'm very nostalgic for that.

Aren't you?

Can't imagine why that would hurt anyone's feelings, though.

That's really what it was for me. He ushered in a new era of Browns football that you actually looked forward to watching on Sundays. He wasn't perfect by any means but he's been the best QB we've had since the return. I remember being wow'd by some of the throws he made after coming in for Tyrod. Darts, anticipation throws, etc. Stuff we're not used to seeing as Browns fans. That's as deep as it gets for me personally.

 

[el_capitan]

No. It has less to do with football and more to do with the imagery.

He’s white?

 

[Cassity14]

I'm glad Baker is finding success. I appreciate what he did for the Browns.

I'm not sad that the Browns moved on from him. I thought it was clearly time to do so. Hindsight is 20/20, but I did not and still do not believe Baker Mayfield is a top 10 quarterback option when it comes to leading a team to a Super Bowl win.

He was dreadful in Carolina. He was poor in LA. He did not leave Cleveland and immediately find success.

He's matured since the Browns moved on from him, and I think he did so out of necessity for his career. I don't think that was happening here, and I don't blame the Browns for balking at the idea of a large contract in wake of his behavior off the field.

Good for Baker. Browns weren't wrong to seek a better alternative; with the benefit of hindsight, they chose the worst possible one.

 

[Ohio]

He’s white?

Yeah, stop pussyfooting around and just say it, @Los216 .

People love Baker because he's white and hate Watson because he's black...

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

No. It has less to do with football and more to do with the imagery.

Well, if imagery is more important to you personally, that's fine. I'd rather just focus on the football, and on winning.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Yeah, stop pussyfooting around and just say it, @Los216 .

People love Baker because he's white and hate Watson because he's black...

I suppose it could also be vice-versa in some cases....

 

[Vee-Rex]

I'm glad Baker is finding success. I appreciate what he did for the Browns.

I'm not sad that the Browns moved on from him. I thought it was clearly time to do so. Hindsight is 20/20, but I did not and still do not believe Baker Mayfield is a top 10 quarterback option when it comes to leading a team to a Super Bowl win.

He was dreadful in Carolina. He was poor in LA. He did not leave Cleveland and immediately find success.

He's matured since the Browns moved on from him, and I think he did so out of necessity for his career. I don't think that was happening here, and I don't blame the Browns for balking at the idea of a large contract in wake of his behavior off the field.

Good for Baker. Browns weren't wrong to seek a better alternative; with the benefit of hindsight, they chose the worst possible one.

So was Darnold and look at him now. To be fair, who isn't dreadful in Carolina?

He played his first game with the Rams after joining the team what, 2 days prior? I don't think we can truly judge him for his LA tenure even though it was still better than what Watson has given us this year. Then he has a good 1st year with the Bucs, and his 2nd year is shaping up to be the best of his career.

Also, the talent at QB is richer than it ever has been. I feel like we're getting to the point where having a top 16 QB might be enough to get the job done.

Btw, I understand where you're coming from... I just think that it's fair to question if we left some meat on the bone there. Could Baker have grown into the player he is now with the Browns? I don't think the answer is a firm, irreparable "NO" the way our fans are trying to make it out to be.

Edit: And I get it, we went after what we thought was a better QB. I don't fault us for trying to get better. But someone is likely to be held responsible for it and if we are going to continue with the same front office/coaching staff then I'd hope the organization would learn from how they've evaluated QBs and not just adopt the fan copium of "Well Baker just happened to mature and that's why he improved, it had nothing to do with us. Nothing to do with the 2021 injury or our inability to put him in the best position both schematically and from a roster standpoint"

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Could Baker have grown into the player he is now with the Browns? I don't think the answer is a firm, irreparable "NO" the way our fans are trying to make it out to be.

I agree -- at least until where Baker said he wouldn't come back. Bottom line is that we handled the 2021 season poorly with respect to Baker, and put ourselves in a position where he had to be moved.

Usually things have to go right across the board for a team to win a Super Bowl. Baker always struck me as a guy who could have that type of year. Not a consistently great quarterback, but an occasionally great one. With the kind of defense we had, and with Chubb and our OL...yeah, I thought that team could win one. Maybe just needed an actual No. 1 WR.

My only concern with the FO with respect to Watson was that I think they put on rose-colored glasses with respect to the potential downsides, of which there were really two:

1) The unknown of the allegations, what the punishment would be, and how Watson would react/respond to all that additional pressure, and

2) Whether they could successfully convert Watson from a guy who needed to be in the shotgun to a guy who would be more comfortable under center.

That seemed like too much of a risk to me to give up what we did. That being said, I thought our initial offer wasn't enough, and we didn't offer the godfather deal we did until after the relationship with Baker was irreparable.