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Well ain't that a cherry-picked stat.

"Baker got clipped on his heel on Sunday and everyone in the country saw it. I better write an article about his interception woes--that'll get clicks both from Baker haters who agree with me, and the Baker defenders who will angrily click it in order to respond!"

I like Baker, but I dont think its a cherry picked stat, its just how good is Baker when its the 4th quarter and he is down by one score or less. Its where a Brady steps up and becomes elite. Just means Baker has room to improve.
 

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Baker mayfield didn’t lose us that game, but he sure didn’t win it.
 

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I like Baker, but I dont think its a cherry picked stat, its just how good is Baker when its the 4th quarter and he is down by one score or less. Its where a Brady steps up and becomes elite. Just means Baker has room to improve.
That is literally not what it is.

It's a summary of the statistics that occurred in the past in those situations.

It does not talk about what Baker did on Sunday, or what he will do moving forward. Even if you think those stats are an accurate summary of his play (I do not), then it is what he was--not what he is.

It holds as much water as someone saying Josh Allen is an inaccurate QB because here are his total stats across his first three years in the league. Josh Allen was an inaccurate QB. That doesn't mean he is an inaccurate QB.
 

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That is literally not what it is.

It's a summary of the statistics that occurred in the past in those situations.

It does not talk about what Baker did on Sunday, or what he will do moving forward. Even if you think those stats are an accurate summary of his play (I do not), then it is what he was--not what he is.

It holds as much water as someone saying Josh Allen is an inaccurate QB because here are his total stats across his first three years in the league. Josh Allen was an inaccurate QB. That doesn't mean he is an inaccurate QB.
As it stands, Josh Allen's amazing accuracy is an outlier, not the norm. If he continues to be accurate, than your statement is correct. Yes he's improved his mechanics and footwork. There's no reason to believe he won't continue being super accurate. But until it happens, he was an inaccurate QB that had an outstanding year.

The trend with Baker is that he's coming up short in 4th quarters when down by a score. It doesn't mean he's going to continue doing so, but until he proves different consistently, that's what I expect from him.
 

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That is literally not what it is.

It's a summary of the statistics that occurred in the past in those situations.

It does not talk about what Baker did on Sunday, or what he will do moving forward. Even if you think those stats are an accurate summary of his play (I do not), then it is what he was--not what he is.

It holds as much water as someone saying Josh Allen is an inaccurate QB because here are his total stats across his first three years in the league. Josh Allen was an inaccurate QB. That doesn't mean he is an inaccurate QB.

What?

Last sunday he once again failed to lead the team to a TD and win the game. He had a great game, but you cant deny he threw a pick in the 4th on our last drive. Did he mean to throw it a way and got tripped? Sure, that is encouraging because it wasnt a bad decision, but in his most recent game in his short career, he threw his only interception on his final drive that lead to us not winning the game.

Was it a rescue drive after we made mistakes and baker had a great game? Sure, but for what ever reason Baker did not come through in the clutch. He has 3 out of 14 4th quarter drives in his career where he was successful, So Baker has failed 11 out of 14 times INCLUDING his most recent attempt.

I like Baker, he looked good, but there is room for improvement. Its a team game, he played well enough for us to have a 2 touchdown lead, baker played great, but allot of times its the QB's job to bail out the team when it failed. We made mistakes, not Baker UNTIL the 4th. It happens, no one is perfect, but Baker has room for improvement...not sure where anything i said was wrong, or the nonsense you said means anything. I am using Sunday AND the past, it isnt what he was, its what he still is until he starts winning on 4th quarter drives. Tannahill had 5 4th quarter comebacks last year alone, Baker has 3 in the last 3 years...and I Think overall Baker is a better qb than tannahill, but he has to start winning the 4th quarter too.
 

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Baker mayfield didn’t lose us that game, but he sure didn’t win it.

This needs to be liked more, its a great way of putting it in a simple sentence. Baker played very well most of the game, well enough we should of had a 2 touchdown lead. Chubb also fumbled, not saying bench Chubb, he never does that and it happens. We botched a punt too. Neither were Bakers fault. But when the game was on the line, he got tripped and threw a pick.

But it wasnt a bad decision, so its very encouraging that it was the right decision, just poor execution.
 

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That is literally not what it is.

It's a summary of the statistics that occurred in the past in those situations.

It does not talk about what Baker did on Sunday, or what he will do moving forward. Even if you think those stats are an accurate summary of his play (I do not), then it is what he was--not what he is.

It holds as much water as someone saying Josh Allen is an inaccurate QB because here are his total stats across his first three years in the league. Josh Allen was an inaccurate QB. That doesn't mean he is an inaccurate QB.
If I were to tell you that the last four times I parallel parked out of 12, I hit a car would you say that tells you something about who I am currently as a parallel parker? Or would you say it only tells you about my past as a parallel parker?

If I asked to borrow your car to take it down into the city where only parallel parking was available would you be at all hesitant to loan it out? Or could I sell you on a “past is the past” argument?
 
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This needs to be liked more, its a great way of putting it in a simple sentence. Baker played very well most of the game, well enough we should of had a 2 touchdown lead. Chubb also fumbled, not saying bench Chubb, he never does that and it happens. We botched a punt too. Neither were Bakers fault. But when the game was on the line, he got tripped and threw a pick.

But it wasnt a bad decision, so its very encouraging that it was the right decision, just poor execution.
I would be very surprised if Baker isn’t pissed at himself for the pick. Hopefully he becomes more determined and focused which will lead to improvement.

I am confident that Stefanski will handle this disappointment well and rally the men for next week.

We’ve come a long way from 1-31 in a relatively short time.
 

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If I were to tell you that the last four times I parallel parked out of 12, I hit a car would you say that tells you something about who I am currently as a parallel parker? Or would you say it only tells you about my past as a parallel parker?

If I asked to borrow your car to take it down into the city where only parallel parking was available would you be at all hesitant to loan it out? Or could I sell you on a “past is the past” argument?
If I'm watching you parallel park every Sunday for years, and you started out learning to drive and sucked--but then yesterday you showed that you knew what you were doing, parked perfectly, but a car pulled out and hit you, I wouldn't claim you're a bad parallel parker. If someone else talked shit about you because of that situation and brought up your problems driving when you were 15, then I'd call them an idiot.

You have to make arguments based on what is happening in reality. Baker's stats from three years ago don't matter today--unless you feel he's the same player today as he was then.
 

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As it stands, Josh Allen's amazing accuracy is an outlier, not the norm. If he continues to be accurate, than your statement is correct. Yes he's improved his mechanics and footwork. There's no reason to believe he won't continue being super accurate. But until it happens, he was an inaccurate QB that had an outstanding year.

The trend with Baker is that he's coming up short in 4th quarters when down by a score. It doesn't mean he's going to continue doing so, but until he proves different consistently, that's what I expect from him.
No, you have it backwards.

Josh Allen is an accurate QB.

He used to be an inaccurate QB who nobody could rely on to pass the ball.

If the current situation changes, so be it--but things are what they are.
 

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All that shit is in the past anyways, Baker looked like an elite QB with a great arm yesterday. He tried throwing the ball away to give his team more chances but the defender took his plant leg out which caused the ball the fall short into the defenders arms. Going forward I think you’ll be seeing that translate in the clutch. He’s just a better QB now than he was the previous years.
 
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No, you have it backwards.

Josh Allen is an accurate QB.

He used to be an inaccurate QB who nobody could rely on to pass the ball.

If the current situation changes, so be it--but things are what they are.
He certainly showed what he was capable of last year but there’s no guarantee he’ll be as good this year. Pro sports are littered with players who had one very good year but otherwise were average at best.

Brian Sipe was nothing special until he had a bunch of game-winning dramatic drives in 1979, just missing the playoffs. Was he for real or was 1979 just a career year? There were doubts - but he won MVP in 1980.

He had a six pick game in 1981 or 1982, then went to play for Donald Trump.

Josh Allen certainly looked for real last year, but he’ll need another year or two to show that 2020 was no fluke. If he ends up floundering around out there we’ll know last season was a red herring. He might not make it back to the AFC Championship again and lamenting “I cod have been a contender.”
 

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He certainly showed what he was capable of last year but there’s no guarantee he’ll be as good this year.
Of course not. Nothing is ever guaranteed. Josh Allen could tweak his ankle and be inaccurate all year. Shit happens. Lamar Jackson could get his leg amputated tomorrow--that doesn't mean he isn't the best running QB in the game today.

Pointing to old data and saying "That's what he is today" is only reasonable if variables haven't changed.

Josh Allen certainly looked for real last year, but he’ll need another year or two to show that 2020 was no fluke. If he ends up floundering around out there we’ll know last season was a red herring. He might not make it back to the AFC Championship again and lamenting “I cod have been a contender.”
I don't think this is correct, at all. Josh Allen showed he is an accurate QB. He might not ever make another AFC Championship Game in his career--it doesn't change reality.

If you say it takes more time for the average person and the media narrative to change, then sure. LeBron carried around "he's unclutch" and "he's no Kobe. He lacks that killer instinct" for how many years, even while he was proving to be the most efficient fourth quarter player in the league year after year?
 

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I honestly think a lot of it with Baker.......and I am as guilty as the next person, is wanting the success to have already piled up.

In the moment, every single game seems to be life and death but it is just a broader picture of a player.

If anything, my argument would be that Baker is pressing in late situations.

And to me, pressing is not a symptom of not being "clutch" but just wanting that success so badly that it actually gets in the way.

I think LeBron is a great example of that. Where early in his career, you could tell he wanted it so bad, that it actually became counter productive.

Hopefully Baker learns to just kind of slow down a little more......and I think he eventually will.
 

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