- Nov 9, 2012
- Reaction score
Are you following the argument being made here?
Baker landed in a middle band (15th overall in tied or trailing QB rating) that followed with:
Gardner Minshew, Kyler Murray, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, Teddy Bridgewater and Jared Goff
1 of those guys was traded for a half eaten bag of chips, 2 are pretty washed, 1 is on his 4th team in 7 years and 1 signed one of the worst QB contracts in recent memory. The guy with a pulse is one of the most electric runners at the position, something Baker has zero in common with.
So, do you believe that you can win a Super Bowl with present day Gardner? Big Ben? Matt Ryan? Teddy B? Goff? That is the argument that is being had here, if you are following the discourse of this thread. These are Mayfield's statistical peers, while only 1 of these guys (Baker) is in an absolutely perfect situation. That is what is and should be concerning. Baker is in an ideal situation and performing at a very average level by the letter of the QB rating law and he's in the grouping of guys who are constantly called bad on this board and around league talking heads. Instead, you believe this Big Ben esque data to be some sort of confirmation that Baker isn't bad, below average, whatever other poor synonym you want to use.......when none of these other similar guys that came after him are anyone who you would say you'd be winning a super bowl with. That is the entire premise of what we have been arguing for 20 pages.......but we keep spinning off in these strange side conversations about what this word means, or if "bad" is too strong of a word, or whatever. Most people would call Big Ben bad.....or Goff bad........and Baker ranks near them in late game performance but is not bad I guess?
In our last 9 games, Baker has had 4 opportunities to engineer a late tying or winning or go ahead drive......those 4 drives resulted in this:
Jets......3-6, 41 yards, lost fumble on 4th down sneak
Chiefs.....3-4, 11 yards, punt....Browns never got the ball back
Chiefs....3-4, 26 yards, INT......game ended
Chargers.....4-7, 21 yards.....drive ended on downs
In the Chiefs playoff game, something that will likely show up in late game "wins" with a blind look at drive stats. The TD drive to start the 4th quarter included this stat line for Baker:
3-5, 12 yards, 0 TD's
In the Jets game, something that will likely show up in late game "wins" with a blind look at drive stats. The TD drive to start the 4th quarter included this stat line for Baker:
1-4, 3 yards, 0 TD's
So he engineered 2 of the TD drives that contribute to some of the stats mentioned in 4th quarters, of him.....you know, not being bad......where he literally did nothing. He was 4-9, for 15 passing yards and 0 TD's.
But lets just set that aside for now.
Baker's QB rating on his last 4 tries to win a game:
His raw stats:
13-21, 99 yards, 0 TD's, 1 INT, 1 FUM.....4.7 YPA, 7.6 YPC
Is this laid out well enough for you? Or was there a word in here that was too much of an exaggeration that we can talk about instead? Not trying to be cranky but we are quibbling over language instead of seeing what the discussion is....so do you understand what I am saying about Baker?......the observation that, late in games, obvious or do or die passing situations.....he has some really bad tape and results. A litany of things......from bad throws, to bad decisions, to not seeing guys, to wasting half the clock to get a single first down. That is the discussion here.......can this guy close a game on a team trying to win a Super Bowl? Maybe he can......but there is a lot not to like and yes, it has been downright bad, especially recently.
And again.....is this bad?
Stat by Dan Orlovsky this morning: Baker Mayfield is 31st in QBR since enetering the league in one score games in the 4th quarter
You just have to expect more than what we are seeing, for a team trying to win a Super Bowl. I hope Baker goes out and proves this is just a rut but we are 50 games in here. At some point, you will need to make a tough decision if nothing changes.
This is devastating