Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

[Lee]

I don’t know why everyone wants to keep pointing to Wilson, Brees, Tannehil, etc.

-Wilson was a 3rd round pick. He wasn’t expected to play right away, and he wasn’t expected to be ‘The Man.’ He was also a baseball player that really wasn’t fully focused on football until he got to the NFL.

-Brees was a 2nd round pick. He made the Pro Bowl in his 4th year in SD

-Tannehill, while the #8 pick, was largely seen as more of a developmental prospect coming from an option program and played WR until midway through his JR year. IMO, that’s why he has taken as long to develop.

Also, if we’re looking back at Tannehil, he actually put up some decent numbers in Miami when he was healthy:

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Baker was:
#1 pick
Heisman Trophy winner
Maxwell Award winner
Walter Camp Award winner
Davey O’Brien Award winner
AP Player of the Year
2X Big12 Player of the Year
2X 1st Team All-American
Three-year starter at Oklahoma

That’s not a guy you expect to take 4-5 years to develop. That’s a guy that should be playing at a relatively high level after a couple years in the league with a good surrounding cast. I’m not saying he should be the best QB in the league, but he shouldn’t be regressing and he should, at the very least, be able to read very simple defenses. If he’s not, he’s likely a flop.

This is why I’m concerned with Baker. He was the most ‘Pro Ready’ guy from that class. He had all the accolades, came from a program with a great offensive coach, and had a ton of experience at the position.

How many guys drafted as high as Baker have flopped with the team that drafted him and then gone on to play well with another team? I can’t think of a single guy.

Actually a bit proving my point. All different rounds, non the first overall pick. We assume because you are the first overall pick you should be better quicker, but not really the case. Brees finished 3rd for the Heisman for the record and won the Maxwell i believe.

All i am saying is it takes time to develop, Baker is on his 4th coach, no real offseason, first time he actually had a good coach to help him. It takes time, he is making mistakes, but all the players above made mistakes. Even Brady wasnt incredible his 2nd year when he won the superbowl, same with Ben, it all takes time.

If we draft someone new, we are starting over on the developmental when Baker still shows promise. Sunday was more about the constant pressure. Aaron Rodgers had a simular game while facing constant pressure and he didnt have bruised ribs....just saying takes time ewven if picked #1, why doesnt that even matter at this point.

 

[Ohio]

Some people listen to these talking heads all day every day.

Literally cannot imagine.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Actually a bit proving my point. All different rounds, non the first overall pick. We assume because you are the first overall pick you should be better quicker, but not really the case. Brees finished 3rd for the Heisman for the record and won the Maxwell i believe.

All i am saying is it takes time to develop, Baker is on his 4th coach, no real offseason, first time he actually had a good coach to help him. It takes time, he is making mistakes, but all the players above made mistakes. Even Brady wasnt incredible his 2nd year when he won the superbowl, same with Ben, it all takes time.

If we draft someone new, we are starting over on the developmental when Baker still shows promise. Sunday was more about the constant pressure. Aaron Rodgers had a simular game while facing constant pressure and he didnt have bruised ribs....just saying takes time ewven if picked #1, why doesnt that even matter at this point.

The point is you’re cherry-picking HOF QBs like Brees and Wilson or the handful of guys that became Pro-Bowlers to justify where Baker is at. Do some guys get through, sure, but it’d be just as easy to pull 100+ guys who were at the same stage as Baker who crapped out of the league a year later. Also, does Baker have the drive, mindset, and work ethic of Brees, Wilson, Brady, etc? I’m not really convinced of that.

I said it last week and I’ll say it again. With Baker I see a QB with no pocket presence, who can’t recognize simple defenses, doesn’t trust himself, and consistently delivers the ball late. He essentially can’t throw from the pocket as of right now. That’s not just based on the Steelers, that’s based on the season as a whole. That’s a hell of a lot to overcome at any stage in development.

I hope Baker overcomes his issues because I really don’t want to have to find another QB, but I just don’t see the progress. We can’t use Covid or the shortened offseason as an excuse either. Everyone is dealing with it and we‘ve seen other players make strides in spite of it.

Really the biggest thing that concerns me about Baker is his attitude. His reluctance to seek outside help is worrisome. The guy has a big ego which is good in some instances, but if he feels he has all the answers to his problems and doesn’t need additional help, he’s not going to get it.

 

[WellYouNeednt]

Literally cannot imagine.

There is something that irks me when Emmanuel Acho and Dan Orlovsky are lecturing people about how players should be performing.

There should be a rule in media — to be a commentator — you need to have been a very successful former NFL player.

(Opinion from someone who would rather place his balls in a bear trap, over watchIng any of these dingleberrys)

 

[Lee]

The point is you’re cherry-picking HOF QBs like Brees and Wilson or the handful of guys that became Pro-Bowlers to justify where Baker is at. Do some guys get through, sure, but it’d be just as easy to pull 100+ guys who were at the same stage as Baker who crapped out of the league a year later. Also, does Baker have the drive, mindset, and work ethic of Brees, Wilson, Brady, etc? I’m not really convinced of that.

I said it last week and I’ll say it again. With Baker I see a QB with no pocket presence, who can’t recognize simple defenses, doesn’t trust himself, and consistently delivers the ball late. He essentially can’t throw from the pocket as of right now. That’s not just based on the Steelers, that’s based on the season as a whole. That’s a hell of a lot to overcome at any stage in development.

I hope Baker overcomes his issues because I really don’t want to have to find another QB, but I just don’t see the progress. We can’t use Covid or the shortened offseason as an excuse either. Everyone is dealing with it and we‘ve seen other players make strides in spite of it.

Really the biggest thing that concerns me about Baker is his attitude. His reluctance to seek outside help is worrisome. The guy has a big ego which is good in some instances, but if he feels he has all the answers to his problems and doesn’t need additional help, he’s not going to get it.

Honestly I didn't cherry pick. There was no HOF qb I didn't look up who knocked it out of the park year 3....remember 27 TD's was the rookie qb record...50 or something like it is the overall record. No one improves like a QB improves.

The only one I avoided was Mahommes, and he is a freak of nature. just looked at Peytons 3rd year, 1st ballot, top 5.....33tds 15 Ints….62.5% completion, 4k yards...but pass happy offense with no running game. Keep picking, all weren't he qb you remember in their 3rd year...all of them except mahommes. I am thinking you can find one more, but I am not cherry picking, I am picking 1st ballot hof players still playing qb today.

 

[bigfoot5415]

Prior to what is about to be 100% prevent defense, Josh Allen has 122 yards against the 13th ranked Chiefs. Point being, we say progress in a 4 game win streak, we beat what was the #2 defense at the time (Colts), and we focus on the run. Let's not judge anyone after a game or two. Let's see the body of work at the end of the year.

Baker isn't supposed to be lighting the world on fire. He looked like ass against Pitt and the Ravens but id argue not one facet of our team helped us either game. I suspect we will see a greatly improved player by the time we face these teams again.

 

[bigfoot5415]

Oh look, a young QB held onto the ball too long and just throw a pick to ice the game. Man does he suck. The Bills should trade the QB, ride their backup, tank for Lawrence.


Am I doing this right?

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Huge Josh Allen hater here, fuck him and I still think he’s a fraud

but come on dude, just a straight up awful comparison. Josh Allen started the season on a 4 game stretch that annihilates anything Baker has ever done. Him having a bad game and comparing it to Baker who has had a mediocre season? I feel like Baker is being handled with the kiddiest of kid gloves by some people

yes he’s had 4 coaches in 3 years. Yes he had a COVID shortened offseason with a new coach

But also he has one of the most talented supporting casts on offense in the NFL

But also he consistently has some of the most time to throw in the NFL he just fucks it up because he can’t be decisive

but also he has a pair of pro bowl receivers and a pro bowl tight end

but also he has the best RB duo in the NFL

But also he has a top 5 line in the NFL

can we hold him even a little bit accountable? Like boo hoo he had to learn a bunch of systems. Can we balance that out at all against having an immense amount of talent around him or does he get kid gloves til year 5?

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

There is something that irks me when Emmanuel Acho and Dan Orlovsky are lecturing people about how players should be performing.

There should be a rule in media — to be a commentator — you need to have been a very successful former NFL player.

(Opinion from someone who would rather place his balls in a bear trap, over watchIng any of these dingleberrys)

That's stupid.

Success as a player doesn't make your evaluations and opinions any more relevant, otherwise every coach and GM spot in the NFL would be filled with former players.

Shit on these guys all you want for their bad takes, but their takes aren't bad because they were mediocre-at-best NFL players.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

There is no QB in the league with more time to throw this season than Baker Mayfield at 3.2 seconds

he’s not a victim of pressure, he’s a cause of it

even this week he was at 3.3 seconds

and I know someone’s going to come in and say how time to attempt isn’t the perfect stat as if any perfect stat exists.

the stat has its flaws, but it heavily correlates to how much time you have to throw in tandem with how quick your reads are. And it’s pretty damning for Mayfield. The next closest is Josh Allen at 3.07 and Drew Lock is the only other guy above 3 at 3.05

pig pen is the quickest in the league at 2.33 for reference

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

There is no QB in the league with more time to throw this season than Baker Mayfield at 3.2 seconds

he’s not a victim of pressure, he’s a cause of it

even this week he was at 3.3 seconds

and I know someone’s going to come in and say how time to attempt isn’t the perfect stat as if any perfect stat exists.

the stat has its flaws, but it heavily correlates to how much time you have to throw in tandem with how quick your reads are. And it’s pretty damning for Mayfield. The next closest is Josh Allen at 3.07 and Drew Lock is the only other guy above 3 at 3.05

pig pen is the quickest in the league at 2.33 for reference

I really think there's something to being able to see over your linemen and throw from within the pocket.

I don't think Baker has the size, or the natural feel for the game, to ever do that successfully.

I also think that, if a lot of your passes are on roll-outs and play action, your time to throw is going to be higher.

 

[SanduskyCav]

Prior to what is about to be 100% prevent defense, Josh Allen has 122 yards against the 13th ranked Chiefs. Point being, we say progress in a 4 game win streak, we beat what was the #2 defense at the time (Colts), and we focus on the run. Let's not judge anyone after a game or two. Let's see the body of work at the end of the year.

Baker isn't supposed to be lighting the world on fire. He looked like ass against Pitt and the Ravens but id argue not one facet of our team helped us either game. I suspect we will see a greatly improved player by the time we face these teams again.

It was a downpour for most of the game. Of course he didn’t throw for a ton of yards. He’s also not surrounded with the weapons that Baker has.

 

[The Oi]

Guy sucks

 

[Los216]

I really think there's something to being able to see over your linemen and throw from within the pocket.

I don't think Baker has the size, or the natural feel for the game, to ever do that successfully.

I also think that, if a lot of your passes are on roll-outs and play action, your time to throw is going to be higher.

I read this and looked up and immediately saw Kyler Murray. That dude is fucking small.

But he’s so quick and decisive. Drew Brees is short but he’s so cerebral. Baker looks about as athletic as Peyton Manning if Peyton Manning was 6 feet tall. He’s just not very quick and he looks so limited out there. In a way he always looks hurt because you can see the clear drop off in athleticism when you compare him to other QB’s.

 

[Sebastian]

Guy sucks