BattleDome... ARIAS VS ROCCHIO

Who should be the player next to Gimenez

  • Arias

    Votes: 10 18.2%

  • Rocchio

    Votes: 13 23.6%

  • Brito

    Votes: 6 10.9%

  • Schneeman

    Votes: 8 14.5%

  • Tena

    Votes: 2 3.6%

  • Freeman

    Votes: 1 1.8%

  • Angel Martinez

    Votes: 4 7.3%

  • 2025 Draftee...

    Votes: 4 7.3%

  • "Jim Chones" or non-internal candidate

    Votes: 7 12.7%
  • Total voters
    55
I think we have to look at this in the context that we have the third best record in the MLB despite starting Cookie and Logan in the rotation.. We are tinkering with our edge players to see if they have game.. I think we will get serious after the break. Between now and the deadline, we will work to get the best SP we can for the assets we have. Depending on who we give up, we back fill from our prospects.

I think Rocchio has more value than Arias, bit I would consider trading either of them or both to get what we need..
 
Beanie4Heisman said:
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Let's not get too ahead of ourselves here.

Some similarities there? Sure.

But huge gaps in hard hit rate leading to large gaps in xBA and xSLG as starting off points in an MLB career isn't a good comparison of players. Again, a lot of Rocchio's xwOBA, which I am sure is a major reason why this rando is making this comparison in the first place, is because he has a near 5% advantage in BB rate and a near 2% in K rate, not because he is hitting the ball similar to Masyn Wynn. And Rocchio's BB rate is not sustainable, why it's already been cut in half and down to 5.9% in June. But an xwOBA based on quality of contact of .351 for Wynn and .305 for Rocchio is yet another massive gap.

That is the major reason why one guy is performing more than the other right now at the plate. A near 7% gap in hard hit rate leading to better quality of contact more frequently is going to always win out over a large sample size of balls put in play.

If you are looking for a good sign though, he's currently riding his first month with a hard hit rate over 30% in his MLB career. And it's not surprising he's having his best output month offensively in the MLB to this point in his career at the same time, even with his BB rate way down.

Hitting the ball hard matters. Don't care what any slapdick here says. It's mattered since this game was created almost 200 years ago. If he does it more his numbers will get better because he is good at putting the ball in play and he's good at putting it in play the right way (LA sweet spot). Only thing that isn't there is the umph he needs to turn those balls in play into hits against MLB defenses with more frequency.

He doesn't hit the ball hard with any frequency and we're just going to see more of the same .570 to .620 OPS fluctuations we've been seeing for 2 consecutive months now with no real improvement imminent. Has always been the thing that needs to change for him if he wants to be successful and it still is.
 
Yeah, overall I don't think it's the best comparison to take a guy who is seemingly "overperforming" looking at his underlying hard hit/slg numbers

The differences in hard hit percentile and xSLG numbers are larger than they appear on paper but those certainly aren't insurmountable
 
Urban said:
Yeah, overall I don't think it's the best comparison to take a guy who is seemingly "overperforming" looking at his underlying hard hit/slg numbers

The differences in hard hit percentile and xSLG numbers are larger than they appear on paper but those certainly aren't insurmountable
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Yeah, Winn should settle in as around a .690 to .700 OPS guy doing what he is currently doing. Absolutely "overperforming" his hit metrics, and by a fairly wide margin.

But still, it's a starting point I'd rather be seeing right now. Gaps are absolutely not insurmountable by any means, but if one player's improvement only gets you to another's starting points in their batted ball metrics that's a tough pill to swallow when trying to compare them as players.
 
BimboColesHair said:
Yeah, Winn should settle in as around a .690 to .700 OPS guy doing what he is currently doing. Absolutely "overperforming" his hit metrics, and by a fairly wide margin.

But still, it's a starting point I'd rather be seeing right now. Gaps are absolutely not insurmountable by any means, but if one player's improvement only gets you to another's starting points in their batted ball metrics that's a tough pill to swallow when trying to compare them as players.
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I am surprised his xBA is a .279 and 84th percentile while all his "hitting the ball hard" metrics are bottom 25th of MLB
 
Urban said:
I am surprised his xBA is a .279 and 84th percentile while all his "hitting the ball hard" metrics are bottom 25th of MLB
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High frequency of sweet spots found + 30%+ hard hit rate + low ground ball rates.

Has one of the lowest ground ball rates in baseball among qualified hitters right now. And xBA loves line drives and fly balls.
 
A 23yo rookie improving after working on his approach and Jesus still thinks it's devil magic :p
 
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Tondo said:
A 23yo rookie improving after working on his approach and Jesus still thinks it's devil magic :p
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LOL! And you accuse others opinions of "getting old". Pathetic.
 
I believe Arias could probably play every position on the diamond with some practice. Third base would seem to fit his strengths the best though IMO.
C - he could probably gold glove it if that's what he played coming up
1B - probably could come close to GG here but doesn't suit his strengths
2B - easily above average
SS - above average to potential GG
3B - his best natural position IMO. Excellent GG candidate if he played here everyday
LF - above average if not more
CF - probably the position he'd struggle with most, but would still be passable at the very least
RF - probably could be GG
P - fireballing reliever
 
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