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Cavatt

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We heard that "anyone to the right of Mao is a Nazi", but who is saying that in national office?


This is Lindsay Graham a very prominent member of the Rep party calling rookie reps communists. This is the bias we see. No accountability on the right and super high standards for the left.

Ilhan got ripped for suggesting a lobbying group was all about money and it was racist, while Trump saying these young reps "hate jews" is taken in stride. The double standard is breathtaking
 

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To be fair she is as close to a communist as it gets with her ideas of a very strong central government and wealth redistribution. That's very communist esque.

I thought Graham was a bit limp dick in the past, but he's been hard as a rock since Kavanaugh.
 

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To be fair she is as close to a communist as it gets with her ideas of a very strong central government and wealth redistribution. That's very communist esque.

I thought Graham was a bit limp dick in the past, but he's been hard as a rock since Kavanaugh.
No communism isn't even wealth redistribution, it is no private property.

Its hard for me to understand how you can say "racism has been used inappropriately so much it has no meaning" and can then turn around and use communism and socialism so casually. They are all European style socialists which is taken for granted there where people are healthier, there is less of a wealth gap, have affordable childcare and people are happier and start their adult lives with dramatically less debt. Sounds awful. I don't think they are suggesting we get rid of private property or voting. They are suggesting we invest in our people.

Comparing it to Cuba USSR or other autocratic regimes seems hyperbolic.
 

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Also state's rights is pretty peculiar idea outside the United States.
 

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Well paying taxes into a system that covers healthcare universally isn't just some Robin Hood shit either. We'd still have to pitch in.

Regardless conservatives lay the burden of the poor and the oppressed on the poor and the oppressed, pretty consistently. And Trump made lots of promises about how he'd improve the lives of his voters, and there were plenty of working class people that fell for it.



Meanwhile, the rich have gotten incredibly richer... The same guys who decided to ship all those jobs off... Even if we could bring back manufacturing to past levels, that isn't sustainable economically or environmentally.



What the hell are you talking about?



Oh you mean unemployment is low (not that same as many of his promises). And while unemployment has continued to lower into Trump's presidency, are we seeing a resurgence of the middle class? The answer is no. We have a generation saddled with debt, low opportunity for home ownership, and an accident/illness away from financial ruin. No policy articulated by Trump (a stretch to say he's every articulated anything) addresses these concerns.



Again, I see the concern here in terms of a slippery slope. Can you reference any instances where someone was treated unfairly because of a simple political difference?

Much of the discussion by the president and his supporters about these issues are filled with disinformation, by the way. What about the threats from countries like Russia? Is it social engineering to fight that?
Jobs are back. The economy is better right now than it has been in my lifetime from a working man or woman point of view.

I agree that universal health Care is not a chicken in every pot, but college debt forgiveness and reparations are. They are pandering to specific demographics for votes.. Andrew Wang is offering a straight 1000 bucks..

I see people saddled with college debt. I get that. But I also see people who borrowed that money in pursuit of skills with no market value.. I would be for prosecution of colleges that encouraged students to borrow 100k to be a social worker for example. But there is some responsibility on the student to make sense.

The Middle Class damage was deep and I am not even certain it can be repaired, but those people who got crushed during the various recessions are doing better. People who were under employed are finding work more aligned with their skills. Right now, a two year tech is a hot commodity, and some companies are paying those guys to continue thier education..

It's not a perfect world. I have my own problems with Trump and his leadership style. But I don't want wholesale economic redesign a la Sanders or Warren. I think both of those will tank the engine. And AOC or Omar? Neither of them have any sense of governance. They are Twitter images with no idea how economies work..
 

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To be fair she is as close to a communist as it gets with her ideas of a very strong central government and wealth redistribution. That's very communist esque.

I thought Graham was a bit limp dick in the past, but he's been hard as a rock since Kavanaugh.
That would be a socialist. A communist implements socialism at gun point, which AOC has not advocated. She simply does not understand economics, and does not appear to want to..
 

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That would be a socialist. A communist implements socialism at gun point, which AOC has not advocated. She simply does not understand economics, and does not appear to want to..
AOC is to left for me, but she brings allot to the table I do like. I like her energy, her conviction, and the fact she is so young gets kids involved in politics who normally feel they are not represented. She hasn't experienced allot of life and has been on the job less than a year. I think she is going to grow and become a very successful politician some day as she matures.

I think just like Bernie, having her in Congress, throwing out her ideas, bringing her energy and getting the younger generation involved is generally good for the country.
 

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AOC is to left for me, but she brings allot to the table I do like. I like her energy, her conviction, and the fact she is so young gets kids involved in politics who normally feel they are not represented. She hasn't experienced allot of life and has been on the job less than a year. I think she is going to grow and become a very successful politician some day as she matures.

I think just like Bernie, having her in Congress, throwing out her ideas, bringing her energy and getting the younger generation involved is generally good for the country.
energy is no substitute for understanding. I dont think she survives long term. She is putting down a lot of markers that she will regret later. Youth is fleeting. I just dont think twitter is a good political tool, regardless of your persuasion. Its inherently a shallow public discussion.

And no she was entirely wrong about Amazon.
 

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energy is no substitute for understanding. I dont think she survives long term. She is putting down a lot of markers that she will regret later. Youth is fleeting. I just dont think twitter is a good political tool, regardless of your persuasion. Its inherently a shallow public discussion.

And no she was entirely wrong about Amazon.
Really? Because Amazon is expanding in New York without the previous incentive-filled deal. Without the threat of rapid gentrification in her district. And without taking resources away from low-income housing.

In what ways was she wrong? Missing out on "jobs" in a district that's already doing just fine?

I don't want to prognosticate but I'd be surprised if she ends up just being a flash in the pan. Twitter is a tool for communication, it doesn't change the world on its own. She isn't operating solely from Twitter so that point is moot.

Someone needs to be honest about how our government and lobbying operates and she's among the very few doing that. And every step of the way she's advocating for working people and the oppressed in our country. I think she understands plenty.
 

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energy is no substitute for understanding. I dont think she survives long term. She is putting down a lot of markers that she will regret later. Youth is fleeting. I just dont think twitter is a good political tool, regardless of your persuasion. Its inherently a shallow public discussion.

And no she was entirely wrong about Amazon.
She speaks to a different generation and group, and Twitter will become very, very common in politics or something like it. It may be shallow, but its how the younger generation communicates. Social media whether we like it or not is gaining in power, not declining.

She is making mistakes, but she has her constitutes excited and that is what she needs to get re-elected. She represents Bronx and Queens residents, 50% Hispanic. They will forgive her a bit on her mistakes as much as they like her. I dont think she will ever make President, she is far to left for that, but she should have a good career and could end up a senator some day if she decides to make the leap.
 

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She speaks to a different generation and group, and Twitter will become very, very common in politics or something like it. It may be shallow, but its how the younger generation communicates. Social media whether we like it or not is gaining in power, not declining.

She is making mistakes, but she has her constitutes excited and that is what she needs to get re-elected. She represents Bronx and Queens residents, 50% Hispanic. They will forgive her a bit on her mistakes as much as they like her. I dont think she will ever make President, she is far to left for that, but she should have a good career and could end up a senator some day if she decides to make the leap.
She'll be popular so long as there is a generation of folks with grievances over being shafted by the preceding generation.
 

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She speaks to a different generation and group, and Twitter will become very, very common in politics or something like it. It may be shallow, but its how the younger generation communicates. Social media whether we like it or not is gaining in power, not declining.

She is making mistakes, but she has her constitutes excited and that is what she needs to get re-elected. She represents Bronx and Queens residents, 50% Hispanic. They will forgive her a bit on her mistakes as much as they like her. I dont think she will ever make President, she is far to left for that, but she should have a good career and could end up a senator some day if she decides to make the leap.
Hard to make presidential predictions, but her politics probably won't look that left within the next couple decades.
 
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