Biden Time: A Joe Biden Thread

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I don't think I have the authority to make something official, but here's a thread to discuss Joe Biden, former Vice President and current frontrunner for the Democratic nomination. After no shows in Iowa and New Hampshire and a dominant performance by Sanders in Nevada, the race has flipped. Biden propelled from a South Carolina win to aligning the entire moderate wing and becoming a multi-billion dollar juggernaut while rapidly shifting polls to his favor.

However, there is already plenty of space to discuss Biden's performance in the primary or to critique him as a candidate in terms of electability, so here I'd like to focus on policy and the pros/cons of making him president of the United States.

So, for the Biden supporters out there:
  • What issues/policies excite you?
  • What, in your opinion, qualifies Biden to be president?
  • What do you think is/of Biden's vision for America?
  • How do you envision his potential admin handling current affairs?
I've made it no secret that Biden, while better than Trump (a practically meaningless statement), is among the last choices I would have picked for the presidency in terms of his platform. In my opinion:

Pros
-Believes in climate change
-Won't take us backwards on healthcare
-Stabilizing & experienced hand in terms of foreign policy & admin management
-Will not appoint right wing judges
-Won't be Tweeting bullshit constantly
-Return to "normalcy"

Cons
-Claims M4A is "pie in the sky" while promising cures for cancer, diabetes, and alzheimers
-Lots of baggage (wrote Crime Bill, voted for Iraq, always on the side of banks/credit card companies)
-Against marijuana legalization
-Old man who may have lost a step or two
-Will likely do little to take on oil companies, let alone the military industrial complex
-"Normalcy" is still awful & led to Trump
 

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After no shows in Iowa and New Hampshire and a dominant performance by Sanders in Nevada, the race has flipped. Biden propelled from a South Carolina win to aligning the entire moderate wing and becoming a multi-billion dollar juggernaut while rapidly shifting polls to his favor.
My post has nothing to do with his policies or leadership abilities. But what Biden has done actually reminded me of LeBron's second stint here.

Namely, how many times did LeBron coast through 3 quarters, let the other have a seemingly solid but not insurmountable lead, then turn it on in the 4th quarter and just devastate teams?

I think Biden was just in "chill mode" until South Carolina.
 

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I am a Biden voter and I don't think he will be a good president, just not as bad as Trump
This does not inspire hope, but it will be how I feel if/when the nomination is decided in his favor.

For context, which candidate did/would excite you?
 

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This does not inspire hope, but it will be how I feel if/when the nomination is decided in his favor.

For context, which candidate did/would excite you?
Not sure excite is the word, but I liked Mayor Pete the best. Bloomberg had some things I liked too, but I couldn't get over the racial overtones of some of his stances.

I do want medicare for all, and none of the moderates are behind that, but there is enough I disagree with Bernie and Warren that I just cant vote for them.

I am getting increasingly excited about Mark Kelly running for senate here in AZ though, I also hope Krysten Sinema takes a national presence some day, I am a big fan of hers.
 
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Apparently, damn. Can't get one Biden voter to talk about why he's gonna be a good president?
Ok. I can imagine...

I think that if he carries the Senate he'll do a lot of good.

1) SCOTUS, two seats replaced at least (RBG, CT)
2) National Voter Registration Act
3) New Voter Rights Act
4) Election Holiday
5) Some version of healthcare expansion, probably a Federally mandated medicare expansion
6) Some form of Student Loan/Forgiveness and Higher Education Reform
7) New Economy Jobs Re-Training Program
8) Repair Foreign Alliances
9) Re-Accession to the Paris Accords and a massive Green Jobs Act
10) I can wake up in the morning without checking news sites first thing to see what new fresh hell had just occurred

And, I think a Biden Administration will be smart, and unlike Obama, only embrace popular programs the first two years to ensure even more Senate wins in 2022.

From 2023-2024, more ambitious projects can be carried out.

Ultimately, he may be a caretaker for someone else's two-term presidency.

His VP choice will likely be POTUS in 2025.

Biden is going to be Nerva to someone's Trajan.
 

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I fall on the moderate/progressive line and I am not super excited by Biden, but i think he unlike every other choice he can bring about a stabilization and legitimacy back to the office of president and most importantly he does it knowing 100% what he has to do hour 1. This is something no presidential candidate has been able to do since Bush 1. Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, or Trump had 0 idea of everything that is entailed in being president. Biden played the back up role for 8 years and you bet your ass he knows what he is in for.

Do i wish he was more progressive in some areas absolutely, but ultimately beating Trump is my number 1 concern, with everything else falling to second. If elected do i think Biden goes down as top 10 president, no way in hell. However thats not why people are going to vote for him.

Also seen @King Stannis s post above, that spells it out well.
 

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@King Stannis @jking948 @MediumBaller

Is there a way we can rename the Trump thread to...I don't know. I suck at naming things. Something indicating it's a shit posting thread (do the same for the Killary one). As it is now, it's hard to have an actual conversation about Trump as a contender in this next election w/o it being inundated w/ shit posts. I know he's not everyone's favorite President in history, but it would be nice to have a legit thread for content like every other contender has/had.

This thread just made me think of that coming need and if you need to delete this, feel free to do so. Thank you!
 

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@King Stannis @jking948 @MediumBaller

Is there a way we can rename the Trump thread to...I don't know. I suck at naming things. Something indicating it's a shit posting thread (do the same for the Killary one). As it is now, it's hard to have an actual conversation about Trump as a contender in this next election w/o it being inundated w/ shit posts. I know he's not everyone's favorite President in history, but it would be nice to have a legit thread for content like every other contender has/had.

This thread just made me think of that coming need and if you need to delete this, feel free to do so. Thank you!
Fair point.

Done.
 

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Ok. I can imagine...

I think that if he carries the Senate he'll do a lot of good.

1) SCOTUS, two seats replaced at least (RBG, CT)
2) National Voter Registration Act
3) New Voter Rights Act
4) Election Holiday
5) Some version of healthcare expansion, probably a Federally mandated medicare expansion
6) Some form of Student Loan/Forgiveness and Higher Education Reform
7) New Economy Jobs Re-Training Program
8) Repair Foreign Alliances
9) Re-Accession to the Paris Accords and a massive Green Jobs Act
10) I can wake up in the morning without checking news sites first thing to see what new fresh hell had just occurred

And, I think a Biden Administration will be smart, and unlike Obama, only embrace popular programs the first two years to ensure even more Senate wins in 2022.

From 2023-2024, more ambitious projects can be carried out.

Ultimately, he may be a caretaker for someone else's two-term presidency.

His VP choice will likely be POTUS in 2025.

Biden is going to be Nerva to someone's Trajan.
How would you split up "popular" versus "unpopular" programs? I think, given Trump, anti-corruption and voting rights protections would be high up. Do you think student loans or big climate legislation needs to wait for more gains?

#10 will be so refreshing.
 

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How would you split up "popular" versus "unpopular" programs? I think, given Trump, anti-corruption and voting rights protections would be high up. Do you think student loans or big climate legislation needs to wait for more gains?

#10 will be so refreshing.
1) One could use polls if one were really cynical.

But, anything that seems to have bi-partisan support amongst voters I would call popular.

Granted, they tend to be smaller policies as you note.

2) No, not necessarily.

I think most people would be on board with some level of student-loan forgiveness, but not by itself. It must be coupled with job re-training programs to help those losing their livelihoods to automation and outsourcing.

And it must also be part of a wholistic reform of higher education costs and programs to get tuition and fees down, to keep collegiate access open, and to make CC and tech schools more affordable and available.

As for climate legislation, that need not wait much. They are popular and we already see states and cities doing it on their own. Much can be done between 2021-2023.

But if you mean major restructuring of the economy, then perhaps.
 

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Also, I think Biden isn't stubborn or as dumb as Hillary was in 2016.

I don't doubt he'll take on some of Bernie's policies, or watered-down versions, at the convention.

Unlike Hillary, I doubt that Biden will tell the Bernie supporters to take a hike.

He has always been a consensus builder, I don't see him becoming an autocrat in a moment that requires unity.
 

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