Biden Time: A Joe Biden Thread

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Warren is easily the best option if we are grooming the VP to take over for Biden in 4 years. Unfortunately, we have to win a race first and I don't know if she's the best option for that (we also don't know that she'd be a bad one, given her appeal to progressives).

Outside of her voting rights advocacy, I don't know Abrams political positioning very well. I do share the concern of her inexperience for a potential 2024 run. Her biggest race so far was a gubernatorial loss.
I think Warren is probably a slight net negative in terms of voting outcomes compared to your average VP (I.e., Kamala or Klobuchar). Still, the question is what is the value of a VP? Is it to help you win the election or to create unity within the party and set a future platform?

Additionally, does a slight net negative actually cost Biden the election?

I do think, from a policy perspective, Warren benefits Biden more than anyone due to her wonkiness. With that said, I do think Warren could takeover as Senate Majority/Minority Leader, and I do worry that her leaving could result in Massachusetts electing a GOP Senator.

It is a difficult and important choice.
 

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Throwing Abrams into VP considering his lack of any sort of quality experience is some dangerous shit in 2024.

I think Kamala Harris is a pretty good choice, honestly. M4A, and a strong legal background.
 

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I currently plan on voting for Biden in the GE. I think a lot of that has to do with a visceral reaction to the thought of allowing Trump to remain in office. I have a long time to dwell on these thoughts and form an informed decision between now and November. I expect that informed decision to come out with me voting for Biden in the general.

However, if someone came up to me on the street and said "Look, I think the country is in for hard times in the next four years. If you vote Biden into office, what happens? Trump is going to be a loud, unhinged mouthpiece that stirs up more of what he's already done. The Democrats will be blamed for everything that happens, regardless of if they're at fault or not. It's going to be a painful four years, and all you're getting in return is a middle-of-the-road conservative, geriatric candidate? I think it's best for the future of this country to make Trump stay in office. Force him and his party to sit there and take shot after shot as the disaster they've sown comes down on them. We can keep packing local, state, and federal races blue. We can take back the Senate. But, let's force Trump's supporters to deal with what he truly is, what he's done to this country, and make them choose to abandon him. Make him leave office without personal power and his party in shambles."

If I heard that, I have a ton of things that jump to mind as counterpoints. The supreme court, the damage done to our governmental departments and agencies, our appearance on the world stage, climate change... There are lots of things I could discuss as counterpoints.

But, I couldn't honestly look that person in the eye and tell him he's wrong.

Today, in my heart, Joe Biden is a geriatric, out of touch nobody. He's not intelligent enough to run this country. He makes too many mistakes. He loses his temper. He's going to look like a buffoon at some point. It's inevitable. Republicans will point to him as an example of how awful Democrats are. The rest of the world will look at him following up Trump and say how stupid America is.

If he weren't the old white guy who could relate with rural America to balance out Barack Obama's ticket, can anyone say with a straight face that he would've been a viable candidate this cycle? Forget viable, I don't think he would've even been in the field of twelve-thousand candidates we started with.

If you look me in the eye and tell me that guy isn't worth it, I disagree with you. But, I'm not convinced enough to look you in the eye and tell you you're wrong. And considering the alternative is Donald Trump, that's a sad place to be in.






I hope this changes as I start to learn more about Biden and let my head take over for my heart as we approach the general. If you want me to back up, prove, defend, or source anything said above, I can't. It's definitely emotion-driven, irrational, and unlike what I normally post. It's just a marker of how I feel about Biden at this point that I've wanted to get down for some time, and finally found the words.
 

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I currently plan on voting for Biden in the GE. I think a lot of that has to do with a visceral reaction to the thought of allowing Trump to remain in office. I have a long time to dwell on these thoughts and form an informed decision between now and November. I expect that informed decision to come out with me voting for Biden in the general.

However, if someone came up to me on the street and said "Look, I think the country is in for hard times in the next four years. If you vote Biden into office, what happens? Trump is going to be a loud, unhinged mouthpiece that stirs up more of what he's already done. The Democrats will be blamed for everything that happens, regardless of if they're at fault or not. It's going to be a painful four years, and all you're getting in return is a middle-of-the-road conservative, geriatric candidate? I think it's best for the future of this country to make Trump stay in office. Force him and his party to sit there and take shot after shot as the disaster they've sown comes down on them. We can keep packing local, state, and federal races blue. We can take back the Senate. But, let's force Trump's supporters to deal with what he truly is, what he's done to this country, and make them choose to abandon him. Make him leave office without personal power and his party in shambles."

If I heard that, I have a ton of things that jump to mind as counterpoints. The supreme court, the damage done to our governmental departments and agencies, our appearance on the world stage, climate change... There are lots of things I could discuss as counterpoints.

But, I couldn't honestly look that person in the eye and tell him he's wrong.

Today, in my heart, Joe Biden is a geriatric, out of touch nobody. He's not intelligent enough to run this country. He makes too many mistakes. He loses his temper. He's going to look like a buffoon at some point. It's inevitable. Republicans will point to him as an example of how awful Democrats are. The rest of the world will look at him following up Trump and say how stupid America is.

If he weren't the old white guy who could relate with rural America to balance out Barack Obama's ticket, can anyone say with a straight face that he would've been a viable candidate this cycle? Forget viable, I don't think he would've even been in the field of twelve-thousand candidates we started with.

If you look me in the eye and tell me that guy isn't worth it, I disagree with you. But, I'm not convinced enough to look you in the eye and tell you you're wrong. And considering the alternative is Donald Trump, that's a sad place to be in.






I hope this changes as I start to learn more about Biden and let my head take over for my heart as we approach the general. If you want me to back up, prove, defend, or source anything said above, I can't. It's definitely emotion-driven, irrational, and unlike what I normally post. It's just a marker of how I feel about Biden at this point that I've wanted to get down for some time, and finally found the words.
Well this was a bucket of cold water to the face.

Only two things matter. RBG's seat and taking bold climate action now. Biden will do both.
 

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Okay... so why I like Joe Biden. This will be long... so let’s start where I am most torn, his foreign policy (I await your shock).

Foreign policy:
Pros:
-Generally, I really like his position on China. He is not threat-inflating. There is no rhetoric about global order, making the world safe for democracy, or an Asia-pivot. He does argue for fighting against their human rights abuses as a multilateral community and by working with China rather than against. He opposes the trade war, too.

-He was the “restrainer” in the Obama administration. He does not support extra military intervention in the Middle East, knows the difference between the FCO budget and the combat troop budget, and from what I know about his advisors on this end, will prioritize leaving Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria as quickly as possible.

-He explicitly supports ending arms sales to Saudi Arabia.

Cons:
-The big one for me is, overall, he does not seem to be advocating for large shifts in grand strategy. No candidate did. But I would really like to see someone advocating for more global restraint come into power. I actually think this is a really big, unfortunate deal because U.S. involvement in world affairs will expedite negative consequences as China, Russia, and Japan grow in military and economic power.

Immigration:
-Frankly, I am a big fan of emphasizing the economic value of immigration over the moral one. No candidate does this, but Biden is closest. The fact is, we are about to have a global population decline, and the countries with the largest populations will see an economic boom. This is the biggest reason I am pro making a quicker immigration system. Biden was also a big proponent and contributor to the DACA and DARA bills.

Military and veterans:
-Biden is the only candidate who has a comprehensive plan for aiding military families.

College education:
-I am not a fan of universal debt relief. I have not seen one study that says removing student debt, in the short-term, it will not cause serious economic damage. I entirely acknowledge, long-term, an educated population is more desirable. I remain unconvinced that Bernie’s goals or Warren’s plans, though, are feasible.

-Biden does not have a clear policy on this front. I would prefer more discussion about how he will make something like community college free, and eventually, how this could eventually lead to totally free college.

Disability:
-I LOVE Biden’s disability platform. He is focused on ensuring that IDEA finally gets up to the 40% mark, and not the lame 14% it currently stands at.

-Relatedly, I am a big fan of the public option.

Frankly, I also just really like Joe Biden the policymaker. Historically, he is incredibly good at getting bipartisan support for bills, is genuinely well-liked by politicians on both sides of the aisle, and fights for people that are ignored by the system. I am a left-leaning libertarian, though, which means I am predisposed to preferring small improvements that do not expand government influence - something that Biden is historically consistent with.

@-Akronite- I hope this helps explain why I support Biden over Bernie.
Thanks for sharing..

I worry that in the working with China mode we will go back to the same, export all labor to china...this is a rich get richer decision.
 

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Well this was a bucket of cold water to the face.

Only two things matter. RBG's seat and taking bold climate action now. Biden will do both.
There's way more at stake than just RBG's seat. People forget that Breyer is 81 years old himself. Conversely, the only old conservative judge is Clarence Thomas and he's 71. If Trump replaces those three with conservative justices in their 50s we are talking about a 7-2 conservative Supreme Court for the next 30 years. And lost in this discussion is just how many hyper conservative federal judges have been appointed by Trump. Mitch McConnell blocked Obama from making appointments for federal judges during the last several years of his presidency. As a result, Trump has made WAY more such appointments than a president usually does in a presidential term. And he will make many more in the next four years. You could have a president more progressive than Bernie in 2024 and it just won't matter if the courts are that stacked with conservatives. Good luck passing Medicare for All or anything else.
 
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How do people feel about Biden's actions so far during this crisis?

Also, how do people react to the #IBelieveTara hashtag and the surfacing sexual assault allegations? I figure it realistically won't move the needle in the primary, but how could it effect the general? We know Trump has plenty of sexual assault allegations as well, but there's no line for him, so would both campaigns just ignore these issues?
 

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How do people feel about Biden's actions so far during this crisis?

Also, how do people react to the #IBelieveTara hashtag and the surfacing sexual assault allegations? I figure it realistically won't move the needle in the primary, but how could it effect the general? We know Trump has plenty of sexual assault allegations as well, but there's no line for him, so would both campaigns just ignore these issues?
I know they've put stuff out there, but what has Biden actually done? I'm not aware of any actions that would shift my opinion.

This is the first I'm hearing about that hashtag, but I'm pretty detached from social media.

I think the people writing off Biden's creepy/sexual optics are way too confident that because Trump got away with it, it won't hurt Biden. But hey, too late to stop the train now.
 

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I know they've put stuff out there, but what has Biden actually done? I'm not aware of any actions that would shift my opinion.
He was MIA for a while there but now is doing regular streams I think. He's been clearly against Trump's by Easter reopening nonsense and there have been comments about his gaffes.

This is the first I'm hearing about that hashtag, but I'm pretty detached from social media.

I think the people writing off Biden's creepy/sexual optics are way too confident that because Trump got away with it, it won't hurt Biden. But hey, too late to stop the train now.
Here's a recent article on it, but the hashtag was sourced from a Podcast episode I believe.

Given everything going on it wouldn't surprise me for this to not get traction.
 

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