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Haha, that's exactly what my wife said last night too.

Another election, same loser, us.
ETA clarification: Do you share your wife’s POV that we all lose no matter what happens this election?
 

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ETA clarification: Do you share your wife’s POV that we all lose no matter what happens this election?
So, just to answer you succinctly, yes.

Now, w/ other thoughts surrounding that answer. Do you ask because you take me as a Trump supporter? I know this all gets taken as an "Us vs Them" thing, that if you're not Blue team then you're Red team (or visa versa). I went 3rd party last election because I hated both candidates. That was a mistake because not enough other people will play that game to make a difference. It just meant from a policy perspective, my voice went uncounted.

When I critique a double standard being applied, it's not to argue political rhetoric because I like Trump. It's because I dislike double standards. The optics though is, "look at that Trump lover!" When I make a statement about coughing on someone intentionally not being murder, it's not because I'm defending the cougher's. It's because I'm speaking massive impossibility of proving that.

But ya, there are things I totally disagree w/ Republicans on and there are things I agree w/ Democrats on. I just by and large align more frequently in viewpoints w/ Republicans than I do Democrats.

So it really comes down to what last election was, Judges. So unless something drastic changes, I'll be pinching my nose and voting for Trump.
 

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As racist and ignorant as Biden's comment was, you're kidding yourself if you think it'll be a major factor in November. Impeachment was THIS YEAR and it's barely a talking point anymore. How many days was it since Pelosi mentioned that Trump is morbidly obese, and he's already undercut his defense by retweeting a fat joke about Stacey Abrams unprovoked. There's an eternity between now and November.

That said, the issue remains for Biden that gaffes like this can pile up and make it very easy for someone to say "they're both morons" and give up, to @CleveRocks point. Will it be enough to make people ignore Trump's gargantuan pile of embarrassments, bigoted remarks, blatant acts of corruption, and inhumane policies? Based on 2016, fucking maybe!
Impeachment is an afterthought because it had zero chance of getting him out of office and was just a straight up political move.
It was dead on arrival.
 

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The immediacy of this invokes strong reaction by those offended.

The accumulation of all the stuff Trump has done and will continue to do between now and the election will make this a distant memory.

I mean, Trump is golfing all weekend. I'm guessing his time could be better spent.
Honestly, I wish he would golf 365 days a year. Golf everyday until November. Please

Whatever he does, do not govern. Do not take meetings. Do not talk to congressmen. Just go away.
 

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It is interesting that the people directly effected by Biden's comment seem far less offended than folks against whom the gaffe did not effect.

It is unfortunate that they are probably used to this level of cringey pandering, but in the grand scheme of things, Biden's stupid joke is greatly outweighed by his work with the African-American community over the years. This won't effect things in November one bit.

I have the terrible feeling, and so far I tend to be correct, that many people will have other things on their minds, and there will be much sorrow as the leaves fall...

That said, Biden does owe a debt to Black voters for saving his campaign and that is why the odds of Harris being selected as VP are much higher.
 

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It is interesting that the people directly effected by Biden's comment seem far less offended than folks against whom the gaffe did not effect.

It is unfortunate that they are probably used to this level of cringey pandering, but in the grand scheme of things, Biden's stupid joke is greatly outweighed by his work with the African-American community over the years. This won't effect things in November one bit.

I have the terrible feeling, and so far I tend to be correct, that many people will have other things on their minds, and there will be much sorrow as the leaves fall...

That said, Biden does owe a debt to Black voters for saving his campaign and that is why the odds of Harris being selected as VP are much higher.
There was an interesting article kinda about this from a Black perspective. Was on Google News this morning: https://www.theguardian.com/comment...icans-joe-biden-democratic-party-relationship
 

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And to dovetail on my comment about the African-American community, not that they are a monolithic block of people, they aren't, are less offended than many white people, I will explain why this is.

When you're a member of a visible minority group, be it skin color, being LGBT etc., you have to choose your moments, and your allies, carefully.

When you have a political leader, who on the balance, has helped you out, you tend to give them the benefit of the doubt because not everyone is willing to help, not everyone cares. So when you do have that ally, you put up with some bullshit because in the end he or she, is more helpful to you than not, and way more so than his/her opponent.

Make sense? In a way?

For example, if Biden came out yesterday and said or did something awful, and cringey, to pander to the LGBT folks, some would be upset (not me, I am no snowflake), but in the end, they'd probably forgive Biden. Why? Because of him, we can get married, he forced Obama to come out and support it, and that gives him way more leeway than most. Now if someone less consequential to the cause said something, that is different.

It is not unlike why as a member of an ethnic group, you can call yourselves slurs, but an outsider cannot.

That said, not everyone thinks this way, and it depends on what is said, I don't speak for everyone.
 

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There was an interesting article kinda about this from a Black perspective. Was on Google News this morning: https://www.theguardian.com/comment...icans-joe-biden-democratic-party-relationship
This argument has been brought up I noticed.

A diversity of opinions, others are less sanguine about the gaffe, others adhering to Realpolitik.

That is the joy of being a minority: You have to put up with some bullshit in the end to get some progress.

Edit: The crime bills keep coming up, but most people have not dug deeper beyond that Biden co-sponsored them.

As odd as it sounds, he worked hand in hand with Black community leaders across the country, in crafting that bill. It was thought, at the time, it would have a positive effect on Black neighborhoods.

So does he get blamed for both helping and screwing that community?

The problem with any politician as old as Biden, as Warren, is that their early work will seems fucking crazy to modern eyes.

Probably why we should stick to younger leaders.
 

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So, just to answer you succinctly, yes.

Now, w/ other thoughts surrounding that answer. Do you ask because you take me as a Trump supporter? I know this all gets taken as an "Us vs Them" thing, that if you're not Blue team then you're Red team (or visa versa). I went 3rd party last election because I hated both candidates. That was a mistake because not enough other people will play that game to make a difference. It just meant from a policy perspective, my voice went uncounted.

When I critique a double standard being applied, it's not to argue political rhetoric because I like Trump. It's because I dislike double standards. The optics though is, "look at that Trump lover!" When I make a statement about coughing on someone intentionally not being murder, it's not because I'm defending the cougher's. It's because I'm speaking massive impossibility of proving that.

But ya, there are things I totally disagree w/ Republicans on and there are things I agree w/ Democrats on. I just by and large align more frequently in viewpoints w/ Republicans than I do Democrats.

So it really comes down to what last election was, Judges. So unless something drastic changes, I'll be pinching my nose and voting for Trump.
Not an us / them thing. I was going to ask why bother voting at all if we all lose.

But, it seems like you do have something you win with by voting: judges.

To be honest, I get very upset with the notion about “we all lose” in an election. That’s just not true. Some win, so lose, and some lose a whole lot more than others. Its why I asked. I wanted to understand it more and you were thoughtful in your response, which I do appreciate.
 
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This argument has been brought up I noticed.

A diversity of opinions, others are less sanguine about the gaffe, others adhering to Realpolitik.

That is the joy of being a minority: You have to put up with some bullshit in the end to get some progress.

Edit: The crime bills keep coming up, but most people have not dug deeper beyond that Biden co-sponsored them.

As odd as it sounds, he worked hand in hand with Black community leaders across the country, in crafting that bill. It was thought, at the time, it would have a positive effect on Black neighborhoods.

So does he get blamed for both helping and screwing that community?

The problem with any politician as old as Biden, as Warren, is that their early work will seems fucking crazy to modern eyes.

Probably why we should stick to younger leaders.
Ya, I really have no idea, it's not my community at the heart of the discussion. It's one of those cases where I just sit back and listen more than talk.
 

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Not an us / them thing. I was going to ask why bother voting at all if we all lose.

But, it seems like you do have something you win with by voting: judges.

To be honest, I get very upset with the notion about “we all lose” in an election. That’s just not true. Some win, so lose, and some lose a whole lot more than others. Its why I asked. I wanted to understand it more and you were thoughtful in your response, which I do appreciate.
Good, I'm glad the rest didn't turn out to be superfluous then. :)
 

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On the Biden gaffe.. It will not influence me at all. I also don't see any way the black community doesn't vote 96% Biden..But that is not the political damage.

The political damage is that portion of non black voters who are fed up with Trump's inability to bring the country together.. Biden imitating Obama speech patterns is not going to address that. I think that along with "Creepy Joe" moments are going to cause waver among Midwest soccer mom types..

That said, I still think the election is Bidens to lose.. in some ways COVID has helped him, because he has not had to be in front of the media., Where he would be more likely to screw up..

It's clear to me the Republican game plan is to paint him as part of the conspiracy to kneecap the incoming administration, and if he wins, investigate his role in it as well as his sons role in Ukraine..
 

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Does Biden really need a teleprompter to do a basic interview? I’ve noticed before on pretty much every TV interview he does he’s reading his questions & answers. Are the News stations giving him his questions beforehand? If he does debate Trump (highly doubtful) it’s not going to go well for him. He has no business running for President of the most powerful Country in the World.

I think we’re seeing why Barack didn’t endorse right away and also told him he doesn’t need to run. Apparently he also told several Biden campaign members to not let Biden embarrass himself.
 

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