- Jun 26, 2008
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So, just to answer you succinctly, yes.ETA clarification: Do you share your wife’s POV that we all lose no matter what happens this election?
Impeachment is an afterthought because it had zero chance of getting him out of office and was just a straight up political move.As racist and ignorant as Biden's comment was, you're kidding yourself if you think it'll be a major factor in November. Impeachment was THIS YEAR and it's barely a talking point anymore. How many days was it since Pelosi mentioned that Trump is morbidly obese, and he's already undercut his defense by retweeting a fat joke about Stacey Abrams unprovoked. There's an eternity between now and November.
That said, the issue remains for Biden that gaffes like this can pile up and make it very easy for someone to say "they're both morons" and give up, to @CleveRocks point. Will it be enough to make people ignore Trump's gargantuan pile of embarrassments, bigoted remarks, blatant acts of corruption, and inhumane policies? Based on 2016, fucking maybe!
Honestly, I wish he would golf 365 days a year. Golf everyday until November. PleaseThe immediacy of this invokes strong reaction by those offended.
The accumulation of all the stuff Trump has done and will continue to do between now and the election will make this a distant memory.
I mean, Trump is golfing all weekend. I'm guessing his time could be better spent.
There was an interesting article kinda about this from a Black perspective. Was on Google News this morning: https://www.theguardian.com/comment...icans-joe-biden-democratic-party-relationshipIt is interesting that the people directly effected by Biden's comment seem far less offended than folks against whom the gaffe did not effect.
It is unfortunate that they are probably used to this level of cringey pandering, but in the grand scheme of things, Biden's stupid joke is greatly outweighed by his work with the African-American community over the years. This won't effect things in November one bit.
I have the terrible feeling, and so far I tend to be correct, that many people will have other things on their minds, and there will be much sorrow as the leaves fall...
That said, Biden does owe a debt to Black voters for saving his campaign and that is why the odds of Harris being selected as VP are much higher.
This argument has been brought up I noticed.There was an interesting article kinda about this from a Black perspective. Was on Google News this morning: https://www.theguardian.com/comment...icans-joe-biden-democratic-party-relationship
Not an us / them thing. I was going to ask why bother voting at all if we all lose.So, just to answer you succinctly, yes.
Now, w/ other thoughts surrounding that answer. Do you ask because you take me as a Trump supporter? I know this all gets taken as an "Us vs Them" thing, that if you're not Blue team then you're Red team (or visa versa). I went 3rd party last election because I hated both candidates. That was a mistake because not enough other people will play that game to make a difference. It just meant from a policy perspective, my voice went uncounted.
When I critique a double standard being applied, it's not to argue political rhetoric because I like Trump. It's because I dislike double standards. The optics though is, "look at that Trump lover!" When I make a statement about coughing on someone intentionally not being murder, it's not because I'm defending the cougher's. It's because I'm speaking massive impossibility of proving that.
But ya, there are things I totally disagree w/ Republicans on and there are things I agree w/ Democrats on. I just by and large align more frequently in viewpoints w/ Republicans than I do Democrats.
So it really comes down to what last election was, Judges. So unless something drastic changes, I'll be pinching my nose and voting for Trump.
Ya, I really have no idea, it's not my community at the heart of the discussion. It's one of those cases where I just sit back and listen more than talk.This argument has been brought up I noticed.
A diversity of opinions, others are less sanguine about the gaffe, others adhering to Realpolitik.
That is the joy of being a minority: You have to put up with some bullshit in the end to get some progress.
Edit: The crime bills keep coming up, but most people have not dug deeper beyond that Biden co-sponsored them.
As odd as it sounds, he worked hand in hand with Black community leaders across the country, in crafting that bill. It was thought, at the time, it would have a positive effect on Black neighborhoods.
So does he get blamed for both helping and screwing that community?
The problem with any politician as old as Biden, as Warren, is that their early work will seems fucking crazy to modern eyes.
Probably why we should stick to younger leaders.
Good, I'm glad the rest didn't turn out to be superfluous then.Not an us / them thing. I was going to ask why bother voting at all if we all lose.
But, it seems like you do have something you win with by voting: judges.
To be honest, I get very upset with the notion about “we all lose” in an election. That’s just not true. Some win, so lose, and some lose a whole lot more than others. Its why I asked. I wanted to understand it more and you were thoughtful in your response, which I do appreciate.