Biden Time: A Joe Biden Thread

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So I am not a fan of "believe all women." I think giving that type of power to allegations is harmful.

But Joe has said otherwise so that makes his situation a tad more precarious.

And when you see all of the "creepy joe" videos it wouldnt surprise you.

That said, Trump is more likely than not to have sexually assaulted a woman or two imo as well. so I think I can safely say I'll again be doing my civic duty and not voting in yet another general election!
 

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There are lots of things to tear Biden for, @Kiddo . This specific one seems pretty trivial.

@jking948 one thing that's been eating at me that I haven't found how to put into words. Part of the President's responsibility is to clearly articulate things to both avoid confusion and to project a certain image. I know the whole Biden stutter issue, but even if there's a benign root cause, would you agree that his proclivity to misspeak is a problem? Not in terms of being elected--but in terms of fulfilling the duties of the office?

I'm not sure how to say that in more polite terms, and I realize that might be a depressing hurdle for us to clear in terms of lifting the ceiling off any disability.

I just hate the image that W and Trump's verbal mannerisms have given America on the world stage (to say nothing about their actual policies), and I fear Biden will continue that trend.
 
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There are lots of things to tear Biden for, @Kiddo . This specific one seems pretty trivial.

@jking948 one thing that's been eating at me that I haven't found how to put into words. Part of the President's responsibility is to clearly articulate things without causing confusion. I know the whole Biden stutter issue, but even if there's a benign root cause, would you agree that his proclivity to misspeak is a problem? Not in terms of being elected--but in terms of fulfilling the duties of the office?

I'm not sure how to say that in more polite terms, and I realize that might be a depressing hurdle for us to clear in terms of lifting the ceiling off any disability.

I just hate the image that W and Trump's verbal mannerisms have given America on the world stage (to say nothing about their actual policies), and I fear Biden will continue that trend.
Let me think on this and get back to you... I honestly don’t have a firm opinion right now.
 

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Do we have an appropriate thread for discussing #MeToo related stuff? It's Biden adjacent so I'm here.

Alyssa Milano, who is just an actress and activist to be fair, has made a public statement regarding this allegation against Biden (who she endorses) and... ugh. A lot of what she says lines up well with Republican talking points during Kavanaugh's hearing (which is not a shitshow we need to re-litigate here).


Who could have predicted that vocal liberals would prove themselves hypocrites in the age of #MeToo?

She's saying... NOW... that we should have a balance between "Believe women" and due process. But I feel like many people in this movement ALREADY BELIEVED IN THAT and the idea that accusations should be investigated is the entire point of the Reade controversy. It's getting buried, as it would seem, based on political convenience. It's not clear whether Milano is okay with/supports investigating Reade's claims, but seems ready to dismiss them as long as the media doesn't make a big deal out of it.

To be clear I don't know the validity of Reade's account. And I realize it wouldn't benefit the Dems/Biden to give it credence, but if her account is true it puts a vote for Biden at conflict with morality. Guess it's a wash when you have two rapists running against each other?
 

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Do we have an appropriate thread for discussing #MeToo related stuff? It's Biden adjacent so I'm here.

Alyssa Milano, who is just an actress and activist to be fair, has made a public statement regarding this allegation against Biden (who she endorses) and... ugh. A lot of what she says lines up well with Republican talking points during Kavanaugh's hearing (which is not a shitshow we need to re-litigate here).


Who could have predicted that vocal liberals would prove themselves hypocrites in the age of #MeToo?

She's saying... NOW... that we should have a balance between "Believe women" and due process. But I feel like many people in this movement ALREADY BELIEVED IN THAT and the idea that accusations should be investigated is the entire point of the Reade controversy. It's getting buried, as it would seem, based on political convenience. It's not clear whether Milano is okay with/supports investigating Reade's claims, but seems ready to dismiss them as long as the media doesn't make a big deal out of it.

To be clear I don't know the validity of Reade's account. And I realize it wouldn't benefit the Dems/Biden to give it credence, but if her account is true it puts a vote for Biden at conflict with morality. Guess it's a wash when you have two rapists running against each other?
That's the problem w/ the "Believe Women" is it basically means "Don't Believe Men". It goes too far and Biden shouldn't be "canceled" automatically, and yes it's a double standard.
 

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That's the problem w/ the "Believe Women" is it basically means "Don't Believe Men". It goes too far and Biden shouldn't be "canceled" automatically, and yes it's a double standard.
I think there are much less hypocritical people that do "#BelieveWomen" without having no standards for truth/due process. It's disappointing but not surprising to see a wealthy liberal undermine the movement.
 

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I think there are much less hypocritical people that do "#BelieveWomen" without having no standards for truth/due process. It's disappointing but not surprising to see a wealthy liberal undermine the movement.
It's almost as if boiling a complex idea down to a simple hashtag, and then using that hashtag as the basis for an argument isn't the best way to do things.

If we just said that the weight placed on rape victims was pretty high, and we should try to find ways to alleviate some of that burden, I think that's a stance most people would agree with.

When you want action to happen, you focus on a particular aspect of that abstract idea. In this instance, the constant cries that women speaking up about sexual assault against anyone of influence are doing it "Just for the attention," "Just for the money," or anything else you would hear. But, that's still too wordy and doesn't catch on. So it ends up being boiled down to a simple hashtag that people can parrot.

If you're going to argue against the hashtag, I find it almost disingenuous to argue against the boiled-down idea, rather than the more nuanced and complex idea which predated the hashtag. Sure, there are going to be a handful of people who trumpet the reductive hashtag as a core belief, but if we always tailor our discussion towards the extremes and the outliers, we'll never accomplish anything productive.
 

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Would this seem to indicate the Dems are pushing Warren as VP?
Not happening (IMO)

I found this article interesting...

 
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