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Don’t go to authoritarian countries and break their laws. Especially don’t go to authoritarian countries and break their laws during a time of war. It’s not fair, and what she did was a minor offense, but it’s russia.

I don’t think the US should make such a lopsided trade. The Russian arms dealer was one of the world’s largest illicit arms dealer. He was convicted for selling arms to who he thought were Colombian rebels and that he thought were intended to kill Americans.

Make Russia throw in a few unprotected first picks at the very least.

In all seriousness, this is why you don’t go to these countries. Russia, North Korea, China, etc. If you go to these countries you have to be aware of their laws. Brittney Griner wasn’t some clueless 18 year old kid. She’s been playing professionally in Russia for years.
The world's largest arms dealer is the USA
 

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So she is pleading guilty, says it was a mistake. If this wasnt a famous WNBA player, how would you feel? She did the crime, yes up to 10 years seems excessive to me, but not sure we should get an exception because we are American. This is why I would never travel to my motherland of Russia because of the laws there.

I know she did it to make income, but there were other countries. We have tons of MLB players who cant play in Toronto because of the laws. Just dont know how I feel.
 

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So she is pleading guilty, says it was a mistake. If this wasnt a famous WNBA player, how would you feel? She did the crime, yes up to 10 years seems excessive to me, but not sure we should get an exception because we are American. This is why I would never travel to my motherland of Russia because of the laws there.

I know she did it to make income, but there were other countries. We have tons of MLB players who cant play in Toronto because of the laws. Just dont know how I feel.

Did you never smoke weed before it was legal in Arizona? If you think you belong in jail because you smoked a joint before it was legalized, then you have your answer. Legal and morally right are not equal.

It's not an exception for Americans. I don't want Russians in prison for this either. Of course Russia is only 2nd in per capita incarceration in the world. Not sure it is quite the moneymaker it is here.
 

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I think she should be sent home and maybe put on a no travel policy to Russia. With that said. I think she is full of crap just like when you get detained in a airport with a gun.
What’s we think and value in America is completely different in Russia. She should have known what was in HER luggage and should know the basics as far as what is illegal in a country when traveling.
Being unprepared and uneducated is not an acceptable reason be let off easy on law.
It’s unfortunate for her that the current leadership of both countries don’t see eye to eye and have a relationship like we did a few years ago. If we did, this saga is probably already resolved.
 

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Did you never smoke weed before it was legal in Arizona? If you think you belong in jail because you smoked a joint before it was legalized, then you have your answer. Legal and morally right are not equal.

It's not an exception for Americans. I don't want Russians in prison for this either. Of course Russia is only 2nd in per capita incarceration in the world. Not sure it is quite the moneymaker it is here.

I smoked before it was legal, but thats not the point Its not legal in Russia, its a seperate country with its own laws. I am not arguing the moralty of the crime, its the fact she is a famous American locked up abroad for breaking their laws. She is GUILTY of what she is accused of. She is not being treated harsher, its a very egotistical view in my opinion that Americans tend to have. Just because we dont agree with the law, we dont need to follow it when abroad?

So you are saying we should ignore laws of other countries when traveling abroad if we dont think the law is just?
 

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I smoked before it was legal, but thats not the point Its not legal in Russia, its a seperate country with its own laws. I am not arguing the moralty of the crime, its the fact she is a famous American locked up abroad for breaking their laws. She is GUILTY of what she is accused of. She is not being treated harsher, its a very egotistical view in my opinion that Americans tend to have. Just because we dont agree with the law, we dont need to follow it when abroad?

So you are saying we should ignore laws of other countries when traveling abroad if we dont think the law is just?

Well this guy got 14 for 17 grams, or a little more than 3 teaspoons of pot. How much did she have? A vape cart is .5 to 1 gram. So, she had 1/17 the amount at most but gets 71% of the same prison time. Seems fair and not targetted. THey could deport her, it would cost them nothing, it would cost her a lot in lost wages, but instead they are going to pay for her to be imprisioned for 10 years probably running 100's of thousands of dollars. Makes sense.

It's political and she is good target as a lesbian.

I think the US should try to get her out, and if you want to free some arms dealer, who cares? Did jailing him stop wars?
 

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Well this guy got 14 for 17 grams, or a little more than 3 teaspoons of pot. How much did she have? A vape cart is .5 to 1 gram. So, she had 1/17 the amount at most but gets 71% of the same prison time. Seems fair and not targetted. THey could deport her, it would cost them nothing, it would cost her a lot in lost wages, but instead they are going to pay for her to be imprisioned for 10 years probably running 100's of thousands of dollars. Makes sense.

It's political and she is good target as a lesbian.

I think the US should try to get her out, and if you want to free some arms dealer, who cares? Did jailing him stop wars?
Well, 17 grams of weed is more than a half ounce, considerably more than 3 teaspoons. In Ohio, a one gram vape cartridge is considered equivalent to 5-6 gram of pot. If she had 3 cartridges (3 grams) it would be about equal to what she imprisoned former embassy worker received. I don't know how much she possessed, but there is a very good chance it was considered equal or greater than the guy who got 14 years. The sentence is harsh, but inline with Russian policy. Griner was familiar with living in Russia, possibly never had an issue before, but when you travel, you are at the mercy of local authorities. A lot of people are accustomed to legal weed and routinely travel with weed on planes or otherwise, but even in the US, there are places where you'll pay a heavy price if they catch you. With a war going on, it's a tough situation, I'm not sure that the public demands by her family are working in her best interests. It gives the Russians a bit more leverage, not that they need it. Maybe LeBron can intervene in his role as humanitarian.
 

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Yeah it's injustice. She didn't hurt anyone. There are lots of stupid laws. Disgusted with how people are like "those are the rules" no matter what at this point even as the goalposts are moved

I think the question is where you spend your political capital. Ideally, you wouldn't want any Americans in Russian prisons. But if you have to prioritize, I'd prioritize those who did not do what they're accused of having done.
 

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I think the question is where you spend your political capital. Ideally, you wouldn't want any Americans in Russian prisons. But if you have to prioritize, I'd prioritize those who did not do what they're accused of having done.

That is kind of my point, thanking you for summing it up so well.

I feel bad for her, just think you have to be smarter when going abroad for work, even if its because you cant make the money you want in the US because no one watches woman's basketball here.
 

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That is kind of my point, thanking you for summing it up so well.

I feel bad for her, just think you have to be smarter when going abroad for work, even if its because you cant make the money you want in the US because no one watches woman's basketball here.

I don't buy the "it was an accident/mistake" line from anyone. You're going to Russia for an extended period of time, and you know the laws. The idea that you'd "accidentally" pack drugs that are illegal seems rather farfetched.

In any case, I really dislike the idea that a prominent athlete - or really a prominent anything - is in some sense more important/deserving of being freedom. We also have to be careful of making trades with the Russians to free people, else we risk incentivizing the taking of even more Americans. But if it can be worked into some larger deal that we would have done anyway, sure.
 

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I don't buy the "it was an accident/mistake" line from anyone. You're going to Russia for an extended period of time, and you know the laws. The idea that you'd "accidentally" pack drugs that are illegal seems rather farfetched.

In any case, I really dislike the idea that a prominent athlete - or really a prominent anything - is in some sense more important/deserving of being freedom. We also have to be careful of making trades with the Russians to free people, else we risk incentivizing the taking of even more Americans. But if it can be worked into some larger deal that we would have done anyway, sure.

I think the mistake was she didnt leave them behind. It was a risk bringing them, but she was leaving right? She just made a million or so for the season, that is what $100 worth of weed pens and carts? Why not just leave them behind and not risk getting caught.

Yeah, i bet she meant to leave them or she is an idiot.
 

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I think the question is where you spend your political capital. Ideally, you wouldn't want any Americans in Russian prisons. But if you have to prioritize, I'd prioritize those who did not do what they're accused of having done.

I don't want Americans in foreign prisons for Non-violent crimes. I don't want them in American prisons for non-violent crimes. We could have their punishments played out in ways to improve the community, but instead it is just enormous cost to us. Waste of time, waste of talent.
 

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I like how arms dealers are bad unless we do it

And meanwhile we're training and funding an entire war against russia
 

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I like how arms dealers are bad unless we do it

And meanwhile we're training and funding an entire war against russia

Dont you know? Its not arms dealers that are bad, we have plenty, its only evil when they sell guns to our enemies. But selling to us or our allies is constitutional and G-d's work.
 

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