Browns 2021 Off-Season Thread

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What Position Should the Browns Focus On Improving?

  • Wide Receiver

    Votes: 6 4.8%
  • Defensive End/Edge

    Votes: 45 36.3%
  • Defensive Tackle

    Votes: 13 10.5%
  • Cornerbacks!

    Votes: 14 11.3%
  • Safeties

    Votes: 14 11.3%
  • DBs in General

    Votes: 57 46.0%
  • Linebacker Corps

    Votes: 67 54.0%
  • Leg-Related Special Teams Personnel

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Maine Coon

    Votes: 5 4.0%
  • Norwegian Forest Cat

    Votes: 3 2.4%

  • Total voters
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to add I would say that there is absolutely no doubt the browns had to overpay to keep Landry. However, the browns were done hitting the reset button, they were about to draft their hopefully franchise QB, and they wanted to make sure they had receiving talent available. The browns overpaid to keep Landry because they NEEDED to keep him, furthermore at the time they HAD to spend money. I dont blame them for the contract what so ever, as it was designed so if the browns wanted to get out of it after 3 years (this offseason) it would be really easy to walk away from him.

So we are now in a place where the browns could cut landry and save 11 million in cap space next year. However the browns dont have anyone to replace him (as possession WR). As I have been saying for months now the browns need to be working with him to restructure his contract to save the team some money. The question is how much does Landry want. Over the cap estimates 8.5 which i assume is based on a lowered cap + Landry's production last year (2nd worst in his career). My ultimate opinion hasnt changed much since I first brought it up. Based on other contracts, and Landry's worth to the team he is worth 10-12 million. The question is can the browns get below that. How much does Landry like being here, how much does he really want to make, and how much money do the browns want to tie up in the receiving core. These are all questions that have unknown answers.
Just to clarify, we traded for him and signed him in the same offseason. Miami tagged him in February, we traded for him in March and signed him in April.
 

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to add I would say that there is absolutely no doubt the browns had to overpay to keep Landry. However, the browns were done hitting the reset button, they were about to draft their hopefully franchise QB, and they wanted to make sure they had receiving talent available. The browns overpaid to keep Landry because they NEEDED to keep him, furthermore at the time they HAD to spend money. I dont blame them for the contract what so ever, as it was designed so if the browns wanted to get out of it after 3 years (this offseason) it would be really easy to walk away from him.

So we are now in a place where the browns could cut landry and save 11 million in cap space next year. However the browns dont have anyone to replace him (as possession WR). As I have been saying for months now the browns need to be working with him to restructure his contract to save the team some money. The question is how much does Landry want. Over the cap estimates 8.5 which i assume is based on a lowered cap + Landry's production last year (2nd worst in his career). My ultimate opinion hasnt changed much since I first brought it up. Based on other contracts, and Landry's worth to the team he is worth 10-12 million. The question is can the browns get below that. How much does Landry like being here, how much does he really want to make, and how much money do the browns want to tie up in the receiving core. These are all questions that have unknown answers.
Higgins is more efficient and would be cheaper than keeping Jarvis.

Don't at me Jarvis stans, you won't accept proof this is the case and it's not an argument I'm going to rehash.
 

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I love Jarvis, so I'll preface by saying I am biased. Like many have pointed out, he was part of the culture change here. He does what is asked of him and then some, doesn't miss games, plays through injuries, seems like a hard-worker, and has proven to be a leader. His teammates seem to love him. I understand it is a business, but I think many in the locker room would be left with a bad taste in their mouth if the Browns played hardball with Jarvis and just flat out cut him at this point. I don't think the decision to cut him is as simple as some want it to be. Hopefully when the time comes both sides can restructure so it isn't an issue.
 

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Higgins is more efficient and would be cheaper than keeping Jarvis.

Don't at me Jarvis stans, you won't accept proof this is the case and it's not an argument I'm going to rehash.
I won't rehash the argument. You're entitled to your wrong opinion.

I'll just say that "this is the truth and I won't listen to any contrary replies" is a curious position to take on a message board. Or in life.
 

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Higgins is more efficient and would be cheaper than keeping Jarvis.

Don't at me Jarvis stans, you won't accept proof this is the case and it's not an argument I'm going to rehash.

Higgins is nice option to keep on the bench. He has a great rapport with Baker. He has also been an unrestricted free agent two off-seasons in a row and has never received a significant offer from any team.

Jarvis went to the Pro Bowl three times and no receiver in NFL history had more receptions in his first four seasons.

That's why people should respond to your post, @FiveThous.
 

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Jarvis and Hooper need to step it up to Wyatt Teller levels if they want to earn their money.


The Dorsey front office catches a lot of flack from Browns fans... but trading for Wyatt Teller for a mere fifth rounder was a complete home run. He's an offensive cornerstone and tone setting bad ass.
 

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Higgins is more efficient and would be cheaper than keeping Jarvis.

Don't at me Jarvis stans, you won't accept proof this is the case and it's not an argument I'm going to rehash.
What exactly do you mean by "more efficient"?

Do you feel that this metric is more indicative of a player's abilities, or of the situation the player is put in?




I have a feeling you're going to bring up something like "yards per target" which, again, I'd say has much more to do with situation than a player's ability. Unless you're going to subsequently follow up with the take that Higgins, MVS and Nelson Agholor are three of the top-six receivers in the NFL...

The NFL isn't the NBA or MLB. Plays aren't alike, situations aren't similar, and individual control over outcomes is small. We can see 200 catch-and-shoot three pointers and get a good idea for a player's ability to hit those shots. But, how many times is a player lined up inside, running a slant route against man coverage with no inside leverage helping the defender? A handful of times a year? The number of like-for-like circumstances is too small to make valuable in the NFL, and that's not even taking into account something basic like who the corner on him is. Then, take how insignificant that stat would be, and stretch it out to the fact that we're just counting ALL targets as equal? Yikes. It serves almost no value in and of itself. You need context.

It's like using yards per carry to evaluate a running back.

Thomas Rawls, Ryan Mathews, Doug Martin, Charles Sims, CJ Anderson and Giovani Bernard were all in the top 10 YPC in 2015. Rawls was the leader at 5.6

In 2016, Mike Gillislee led at 5.7, Bilal Powell next at 5.5... Jordan Howard, Jay Ajayi, Isaiah Crowell all in the top 10.

2017 had Kenyan Drake, Alfred Morris, Alex Collins, Giovani Bernard, LeGerrette Blount, Matt Breida all inside the top 10.

In 2014, your leader was Justin Forsett at 5.4, followed by Jeremy Hill and Lamar Miller.

We can't take the analysis we do in repeatable, similar situations, like baseball or basketball, and apply them to the NFL. It just doesn't work that way.
 

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For those that done know, a tendered exclusive rights is any free agent 3 years or less in the league can get tendered and they can only negotiate with the current team. They are offered a vet min contract. They can take the vet min for one year, or try and negotiate something bigger and longer (insert dick joke). This only happens for UDFA as the drafted players get a 4 year contract.

That said, really doesnt seam fair, not really a free agent right? But that is the CBA for you.
 

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For those that done know, a tendered exclusive rights is any free agent 3 years or less in the league can get tendered and they can only negotiate with the current team. They are offered a vet min contract. They can take the vet min for one year, or try and negotiate something bigger and longer (insert dick joke). This only happens for UDFA as the drafted players get a 4 year contract.

That said, really doesnt seam fair, not really a free agent right? But that is the CBA for you.
it’s not really that unfair. Every sport has RFAs. It’s pretty much the only advantage a drafting team has over a player.
 

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That said, really doesnt seam fair, not really a free agent right? But that is the CBA for you.

Browns fans aren't used to having young undrafted guys worth a ERFA offer. I only know about it from looking at other teams rosters, talking myself into some young guy who is technically a free agent, and then a few days later discovering they aren't really free agents.
 

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