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Browns GM: Andrew Berry it is.

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Who Do Want the Browns to Hire as Head Coach?

  • Josh McDaniels OC-Patriots

    Votes: 52 33.1%
  • Kevin Stefanski OC-Vikings (DePo Certified)

    Votes: 88 56.1%
  • Robert "The Napoleon of Motivators" Saleh DC-49ers

    Votes: 20 12.7%
  • Greg "ED Pill" Roman OC-City I Shall Not Name

    Votes: 2 1.3%
  • Eric "The Enemy" Bieniemy OC-Chiefs

    Votes: 2 1.3%
  • Brian Daboll OC-Bills

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Urban "Hear No Evil, See No Evil" Meyer (Formerly) HC-OSU

    Votes: 5 3.2%
  • Bill Cowher (Formerly) HC-Strongsville

    Votes: 8 5.1%
  • Jim "Use the" Schwartz DC-Iggles

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 1.3%

  • Total voters
    157
  • Poll closed .
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Trading back from 2 to 15 is an abomination. If you're that bad, you need a difference maker. You don't need a few solid contributors; you can get depth in free agency. We needed a QB like Carson Wentz & we needed Julio Jones over Phil Taylor. I've always argued on your side of this, but it's becoming clearer and clearer to me that these past trade-downs have been poor on their returns. Generally, the shittier you are, the more you need to get an impact player.
Football isn't won by a star player like the NBA is. If you're that bad, you need to build a solid framework with lots of talented individuals. Get your "difference maker" and he'll be on a shit team and you'll go nowhere.

Then, when you realize the market inefficiency of future picks being undervalued in comparison with current picks, it's a no brainer.
 
I disagree with "the draft is a crapshoot". No, it's a relative crapshoot. Relative in that the success rate generally fades with draft position. So, you're going to have a higher chance at getting/stumbling-into a good player the higher you pick. That's quite literally what the draft value charts tell us.

Well, of course drafting in the first round is easier than drafting in the fifth. However, if you can gain an additional first by trading down ten picks, I think you do that every single time.
 
Appreciate the opinion..

How did Hollywood do at the Pro-Bowl skills competition?

Seems kind of irrelevant seeing as Kitchens basically refused to use the guy this year for reasons we will probably never know.
 
Football isn't won by a star player like the NBA is. If you're that bad, you need to build a solid framework with lots of talented individuals. Get your "difference maker" and he'll be on a shit team and you'll go nowhere.

Then, when you realize the market inefficiency of future picks being undervalued in comparison with current picks, it's a no brainer.

Yeah, I think Wentz probably could have moved the needle, but hey.
 
And just like that people are disappointed about not hiring a man most never heard of two weeks ago. For as long as I can remember Stefanski was linked to Berry so I'm pretty certain they can work together in terms of the word "alignment" that's been thrown around.

We've seen them trade back and miss out on franchise changing upper tier talent for a collection of marginal talents and we've seen them strike out big on top 10 guys like Richardson, Mingo and Justin Gilbert. In the end it's a simple as getting the picks right and maintaining those players over 5-10 seasons. When the Browns do get it right they don't seem to give second contract thus an endless cycle of suck.
 
Well you started with hyperbole, and went on to rant with nothing but assumptions and insults for a few pages. Care to point out something factual you said that we could actually discuss?

What's hyperbolic? If you think what I'm saying is nothing but assumptions, you should read the WWW.

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Seems kind of irrelevant seeing as Kitchens basically refused to use the guy this year for reasons we will probably never know.

Shouldn't he get WR1 or WR2 money in free agency, then?
 
I'm still not convinced that Wentz ends up better than Baker.

I'm not sure they even relate. The decision to skip Wentz wasn't so they could get Baker. They didn't think Wentz was very good; they said as much.
 
I'm not sure they even relate. The decision to skip Wentz wasn't so they could get Baker. They didn't think Wentz was very good; they said as much.

Thus far, I'm not sure they were wrong. He's been fine, but not exactly the guy his rookie year hyped him up to becoming. Philly won the Super Bowl without him.
 
Jarvis was the leading WR of a 6-10 team with an underwhelming offense. That doesn't really help your point....
Are you saying Jarvis is to blame for the team being 6-10 and having an underwhelming offense?
 
I actually agree with @Soda, I think, when it comes to trading down. Trading down when an elite QB talent is available - and when your team needs a QB - is a really ballsy move. Frankly, I'm not sure if the payoff can ever really match.

I do think, once your team has a QB, trading down is a really smart strategy. Any position beyond QB is going to result in the cost*payoff 2x2 flipping. No individual position outside of QB is valuable enough to justify not taking extra picks in the following year.

So, Soda, while I would be totally good with the Browns trading down, that is entirely based on my belief that Baker can be a "QB of the future" for the Browns. Though, if I felt differently, I would be right there with you.
 
Also, I don't know why I'm surprised, but I can't believe people are already convincing themselves again that passing on elite talent is a smart thing to do. The amount of elite players that were passed over for Corey fuckin Coleman is both sickening and disturbing.

You trade down when the elite talent isn't there, you don't trade down when it is there.
 
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