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The Human Q-Tip said:
I think the "Jimmy has no patience/meddles too much argument" is low hanging fruit for pundits that is really old news. He showed too much patience with Hue. He meddled too little when Dorsey wanted very inexperienced Freddie. I think he desperately wants stability -- as badly as do we. He's just trying to find the right guys who actually deserve to be kept in the job.
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Agree 100%. 110%, if I were a pro athlete.

Jimmy's first real go at putting a front office together was PetFarm, and that was a bad marriage from the start. Farmer was not ready (if in fact he ever will be ready) to be an NFL GM. Pettine is a good DC, but HC is probably a little too Peter Principle for him. And they mixed about as well as oil and water.

Then came DePo/Sashi/Hue. Again, an oil and water combination ... and probably not the best one, as Sashi really didn't have any football experience, and Hue turned out to be one of the worst HCs in NFL history. Even at that, Jimmy gave Hue one more season (well, nine games of it, anyway) than most anybody else would have.

DePo/Dorsey/Kitchens turned out to be an abomination. Kitchens may have won a few more games than his predecessors, but (a) he should have, given the available talent, and (b) that talent won in spite of him, not because of him. You can't leave a completely incompetent and overwhelmed person in charge because stability. If you order a dish in a restaurant, take two bites, and it's awful ... do you keep eating it in hopes it will improve?

Will DePo/Berry/Stefanski be better? We'll see ... but they all seem able to row in the same direction together, so that's a start.
 
AllforOne said:
Agree 100%. 110%, if I were a pro athlete.

Jimmy's first real go at putting a front office together was PetFarm, and that was a bad marriage from the start. Farmer was not ready (if in fact he ever will be ready) to be an NFL GM. Pettine is a good DC, but HC is probably a little too Peter Principle for him. And they mixed about as well as oil and water.

Then came DePo/Sashi/Hue. Again, an oil and water combination ... and probably not the best one, as Sashi really didn't have any football experience, and Hue turned out to be one of the worst HCs in NFL history. Even at that, Jimmy gave Hue one more season (well, nine games of it, anyway) than most anybody else would have.

DePo/Dorsey/Kitchens turned out to be an abomination. Kitchens may have won a few more games than his predecessors, but (a) he should have, given the available talent, and (b) that talent won in spite of him, not because of him. You can't leave a completely incompetent and overwhelmed person in charge because stability. If you order a dish in a restaurant, take two bites, and it's awful ... do you keep eating it in hopes it will improve?

Will DePo/Berry/Stefanski be better? We'll see ... but they all seem able to row in the same direction together, so that's a start.
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At the time of those prior front offices, were there any indications they weren't all on the same page? I don't care enough to look but I remember a positive vibe around here and in general about all of them.

I know it seems like they were selected in part because of their shared vision, but I don't think we'll be hearing anything BUT positive things right now.
 
SuperSurge said:
At the time of those prior front offices, were there any indications they weren't all on the same page? I don't care enough to look but I remember a positive vibe around here and in general about all of them.

I know it seems like they were selected in part because of their shared vision, but I don't think we'll be hearing anything BUT positive things right now.
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Of course it's all going to be unicorns and rainbows right now. Everybody is new, everybody gets along, and no actual games have been played. Hence the "we'll see."

I like DePo/Berry/Stefanski's chances of rowing in the same direction more than I do any of the prior front offices ... but that may just be because we haven't seen these guys work together yet.

That being said, if we fall back to the often-used "they're gonna have to prove it to me on the field" trope, then we won't have anything to discuss here until September. So I'll just express my opinion that this trio is more likely to succeed that any of Haslam's previous FOs. They seem more likely to be (ahem) aligned, as well as ego-less enough to work together. But I realize that my opinion could look really bad a year or two from now.
 
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Quickly speaking to the comparisons I see people making with the Niners. It's fair to say Shanahan and Lynch knew of each other and respected each other, but they never worked on the same staff. The Niners hired Shanahan and Lynch was brought into meetings with Shanahan to see if they would click, and they did.

There were absolutely times where fans could have turned on the front office. Reuben Foster and Solomon Thomas were first round busts. They reached on Beathard after signing several non contributors as free agents. Lynch had less experience than Berry in a front office. But they stayed the course when it was obvious injuries were the biggest hurdle to success.
 
Chris said:
What I or any of us think is irrelevant. People get psyched every regime change. Myself included.

Ownership is a huge problem but I refuse to believe they cant win with this owner. It can happen. Will it? The fuck knows.
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Chris said:
What I or any of us think is irrelevant. People get psyched every regime change. Myself included.

Ownership is a huge problem but I refuse to believe they cant win with this owner. It can happen. Will it? The fuck knows.
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Yep. For the first time I’m not at all excited about this change in regime.

I have tempered expectations. I have no fucking idea what’s going to happen but I’m for sure not all in or as optimistic as I’ve been in the past.

The Browns have sort of broke me in that way. Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me five times it ain’t happening again.
 
AllforOne said:
That being said, if we fall back to the often-used "they're gonna have to prove it to me on the field" trope, then we won't have anything to discuss here until September. So I'll just express my opinion that this trio is more likely to succeed that any of Haslam's previous FOs.
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I agree...but I think that has more to do with the talent than with the genius of the FO/coach. This team should have been better than it was this last year, although the OL was a pretty gaping hole that a lot of folks pointed to before the season began. And Freddie pretty clearly was a train wreck.

So if Stefanski is just a pro, a "good" coach rather than a train wreck, and Berry is an average GM, this team should show meaningful improvement next season.
 
At least the Browns didn't hire Bill O'Brien as their GM. What the fuck were the Texans thinking?
 
Hurl Bruce said:
At least the Browns didn't hire Bill O'Brien as their GM. What the fuck were the Texans thinking?
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He put all his chips to the middle of the table with his trades, now he is the right guy to figure out what to do next... or at least that's what they are thinking. Sometimes people double down on bad ideas... Like Martin Scorsese recruiting a bunch of old timers to do a Mafia movie in makeup and CGI... and then doubling the length of the awkward footage.
 
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