BROWNS OFF-SEASON 2020

[AZ_]

Steve Malin is out as well. Wolf still TBD.

What has Eliot Wolf done that warrants his position in the front office?

Genuinely curious. The only guy I know he's pounded the table for is Takitaki.

Spoke highly of Corbett post-draft, Highsmith claimed he believed he could play Center. In the presser, Wolf actually deferred to Highsmith on Chubb, claiming he was the "RB expert."

 

[AZ_]

One name to keep an eye on for the vacant roles.

Brandon Brown - Eagles Director of Pro Scouting

Hired by Berry with the Colts in 2015, was already entrenched in Philly. Could be in line for a move and title bump to join Berry in Cleveland.

No inside info, just speculating.

 

[FrontPageNews]

Steve Malin is out as well. Wolf still TBD.

What has Eliot Wolf done that warrants his position in the front office?

Genuinely curious. The only guy I know he's pounded the table for is Takitaki.

Spoke highly of Corbett post-draft, Highsmith claimed he believed he could play Center. In the presser, Wolf actually deferred to Highsmith on Chubb, claiming he was the "RB expert."

it’s so hard to know about assistants. We don’t know for sure who’s responsible for what. But I’ve been hearing about wolf and how respected he was for years. And not just because of his dad but on his own merit.

 

[FrontPageNews]

One name to keep an eye on for the vacant roles.

Brandon Brown - Eagles Director of Pro Scouting

Hired by Berry with the Colts in 2015, was already entrenched in Philly. Could be in line for a move and title bump to join Berry in Cleveland.

No inside info, just speculating.

yeah I’ve been thinking of who’s taking those spots. I’m not sure Philly let’s those guys leave. Howie wouldn’t let berry leave unless he had roster control. They might have the same rules for other executives.

 

[Urban]

Steve Malin is out as well. Wolf still TBD.

What has Eliot Wolf done that warrants his position in the front office?

Genuinely curious. The only guy I know he's pounded the table for is Takitaki.

Spoke highly of Corbett post-draft, Highsmith claimed he believed he could play Center. In the presser, Wolf actually deferred to Highsmith on Chubb, claiming he was the "RB expert."

Can't point to anything concrete per se. Spent 14 years with one of the best franchises in the league and climbed the ladder all the way up to Director of Football Ops. Packers passed on him for their GM spot in '18 but wanted to keep him on staff as the #2. I know San Francisco in particular wanted to interview him for their GM opening but if I'm remembering correctly, the Packers blocked it.

I suppose I could ask the same as what makes Andrew Berry impressive. They seem comparable from an age and respect around the league point of view.

As far as Takitaki goes, sure, there is certainly a good chance he busts. With that said, I'm not sure how much he was ever really in the plans for getting a whole lot of time in 2019 with Wilks' 2 LB scheme and Schobert and Kirksey holding down those spots, and Takitaki still being a very raw LB. Coupled with some nagging injuries and Wilson playing really well, there wasn't a whole lot of opportunity to get much time on the field.

Corbett was clearly a big miss. Not sure who exactly the finger should be pointed at there. But I'm not going to expect the FO not to gush about a 1st or 2nd round pick in a post-draft presser.

 

[AZ_]

Can't point to anything concrete per se. Spent 14 years with one of the best franchises in the league and climbed the ladder all the way up to Director of Football Ops. Packers passed on him for their GM spot in '18 but wanted to keep him on staff as the #2. I know San Francisco in particular wanted to interview him for their GM opening but if I'm remembering correctly, the Packers blocked it.

I suppose I could ask the same as what makes Andrew Berry impressive. They seem comparable from an age and respect around the league point of view.

As far as Takitaki goes, sure, there is certainly a good chance he busts. With that said, I'm not sure how much he was ever really in the plans for getting a whole lot of time in 2019 with Wilks' 2 LB scheme and Schobert and Kirksey holding down those spots, and Takitaki still being a very raw LB. Coupled with some nagging injuries and Wilson playing really well, there wasn't a whole lot of opportunity to get much time on the field.

Corbett was clearly a big miss. Not sure who exactly the finger should be pointed at there. But I'm not going to expect the FO not to gush about a 1st or 2nd round pick in a post-draft presser.

Like, I think one can make a reasonable argument that based on his longevity with his previous franchise and the level of respect he seems to have around the league, he's a decent upper level executive who has his share of hits and misses like everyone else.

But he's never struck me as someone who is irreplaceable. Has not been asked to interview for any GM roles or advancements, was not considered seriously for this GM opening.

I'm not trying to knock the guy, and if he aligns with Berry's vision I have no concerns if he stays on. Browns twitter seems to be beside themselves, so I figured its worth the discussion.

 

[Urban]

Like, I think one can make a reasonable argument that based on his longevity with his previous franchise and the level of respect he seems to have around the league, he's a decent upper level executive who has his share of hits and misses like everyone else.

But he's never struck me as someone who is irreplaceable. Has not been asked to interview for any GM roles or advancements, was not considered seriously for this GM opening.

I'm not trying to knock the guy, and if he aligns with Berry's vision I have no concerns if he stays on. Browns twitter seems to be beside themselves, so I figured its worth the discussion.

Agreed with this completely. Given his age he seems like someone who should, in theory, be able to get along well with this front office and add a different perspective to the table from his time in Green Bay.

But not going to throw a fit if he leaves. Especially considering it will more or less be a mutual decision.

 

[Jordan]

Steve Malin is out as well. Wolf still TBD.

What has Eliot Wolf done that warrants his position in the front office?

Genuinely curious. The only guy I know he's pounded the table for is Takitaki.

Spoke highly of Corbett post-draft, Highsmith claimed he believed he could play Center. In the presser, Wolf actually deferred to Highsmith on Chubb, claiming he was the "RB expert."

Agree with everything... but on the bolded, if I remember correctly, Highsmith had Penny #1a and Chubb #1b and that, had Seattle not swiped in for Penny, Browns were debating who was better. I could be wrong, but I legitimately remember reading that on Seahawks Twitter when they justified taking Penny that early.

 

[AZ_]

Agree with everything... but on the bolded, if I remember correctly, Highsmith had Penny #1a and Chubb #1b and that, had Seattle not swiped in for Penny, Browns were debating who was better. I could be wrong, but I legitimately remember reading that on Seahawks Twitter when they justified taking Penny that early.

I remember reading that as well, but was listening to/quoting the Wolf/Highsmith Draft presser in which they were discussing Chubb.

 

[CBBI]

Most non-general manager personnel guys are essentially nameless and faceless. Just a parade of guys in suits with no dramatic differences that the public is ever aware of until they become a GM.

We aren't in the facility. We aren't in the meetings. We really have no idea what these personnel guys do or don't do, which draft picks, free agents or trade targets they aggressively go to bat for or not.

Eliot Wolf may be a genius. He may be totally useless. He's likely somewhere in the middle. We just don't truly know.

If Wolf is let go, the Browns will replace him with someone else we have no clue about and he'll perform a role without us having any understanding of how competent or incompetent he is.

 

[CBBI]

Agree with everything... but on the bolded, if I remember correctly, Highsmith had Penny #1a and Chubb #1b and that, had Seattle not swiped in for Penny, Browns were debating who was better. I could be wrong, but I legitimately remember reading that on Seahawks Twitter when they justified taking Penny that early.

Mike Silver said (his info presumably straight from Hue) the day after the 2018 draft that the Browns were set on taking Penny at 33 or 35 until the Seahawks unexpectedly traded up and picked him at 27.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Mike Silver said (his info presumably straight from Hue) the day after the 2018 draft that the Browns were set on taking Penny at 33 or 35 until the Seahawks unexpectedly traded up and picked him at 27.

For what it's worth, Penny hasn't actually been bad when he's gotten carries. He averaged 4.9 YPC his rookie year and 5.7 this year. He's just been derailed by injuries and Pete Carroll's all-encompassing love for Chris Carson.

I personally thought he was the 3rd best RB in that class after Barkley and Guice. Of course, if Chubb doesn't get hurt in college he is almost certainly ranked second and maybe even first (assuming he didn't go to the NFL a year earlier), but his production definitely suffered after that injury and there were some question marks about him as a result.

 

[MirORich]

 

[Triplethreat]

Dude has fallen off hard as hell.

 

[FrontPageNews]

good coverage LB. has zero pass rushing moves. Speed rush or nothing.