Browns trade Danny Shelton to Pats

[Mr. Orange]

This trade is fine. Browns probably only want to bring in 8ish rooks this year, not 12-14 like the last two years (not counting UDFA). Get off a pick this year, get value for a guy who isn't in the plans, move up one round next year. You have a much better chance finding a decent player in the 3rd round than the 5th. Even the worst 3rd round is worth almost three of the best 5th round. (116 points vs. 129)

 

[Phills14]

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So we traded a 5th in 2018 with Shelton for one of the last picks in the 3rd round 2019.

Question: If we kept Shelton this year, got use out of him. We let him walk, what compensation pick would we get for him in 2020? Sounds like a 3rd-4th rounder to me. Right?

If you are going to get a future mid round pick for him anyway, why not get production out of him this year?

 

[Phills14]

I have no problem with getting rid of this loser. A major cog in the 0-16 wheel last season. The clown ranted about the parade. Hey Danny, the parade was had because of losers like you. Another number one draft pick bust. Jump on piles in New England and see how long Belichek puts up with it.

 

[AZ_]

So we traded a 5th in 2018 with Shelton for one of the last picks in the 3rd round 2019.

Question: If we kept Shelton this year, got use out of him. We let him walk, what compensation pick would we get for him in 2020? Sounds like a 3rd-4th rounder to me. Right?

If you are going to get a future mid round pick for him anyway, why not get production out of him this year?

He’d have to get a massive deal, and I don’t think that’s very likely honestly.

 

[Binkster]

Defense was #2 in rushing yards per carry allowed. Go ahead and blame 0-16 on him, though.

Look he was a disappointment for where he was picked. But if cards fell a certain way you could have just gotten a compensatory pick if you let him go. This is a giveaway, and there's also the fact that it's the Pats which makes me wonder why we bothered. DL was our deepest and strongest unit last year. We just weakened it.

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You could also make the argument that he was a square peg being forced into a round hole. Is it possible that his presence constrained our defensive playcalling?

Williams’ defenses tend to rely on disrupting plays in the backfield. Shelton is a solid player but he did one thing (albeit he did it well) and that’s stuffing the run at the line.

Rarely did I see him blowing up plays behind the line of scrimmage.

 

[buzzdog]

Appreciate the posterity list.

See that is what frustrates me though. Are any of the guys on your list world beaters? No. But Nassib, Coleman, and Devalve are all young guys with varying degrees of potential. That’s the thing that wears on me with all the regime changes. Pulling the plug so soon on guys they didn’t draft. It feels like we are ripping it down to the studs every 2-3 years. I’ve been critical of Dorsey but I’ll be the first to tell you I hope he gets a chance to actually see this through and we keep this FO in place. I just want to see a plan fully executed

It’s enough to drive a wizard mad

Shipping out Kizer and Shelton is "ripping it down to the studs"???

 

[buzzdog]

Yep. Can't wait until we fire Williams and the next hot defensive coordinator is a 3-4 guy and we do this carousel all over again. You know Ogunjobi looks great as a 3 tech, but the Browns are asking him to move to End in Coach Whoever's base 3-4. And Head Scout Dorsey spies a guy he can get in the 3rd round who'd just Perfect. So long Mr. Ogunjobi.

Fuck the 3-4. If Williams gets replaced we need to stick with the 4 man and hybrid fronts with the guys we've brought in.

 

[Soda]

If Greggg or Hue gets fired, John Dorsey is going to have a large role in picking the next coach. Don't get yourself all worked up about Dorsey bringing-in coaches who will want to jettison the roster he's building. Ain't going to happen.

 

[thestatman]

Ndamukong Suh is reportedly going to be released today by the Dolphins. Over the past 3 seasons, Suh, in the twilight of his career, had 15.5 sacks. Danny Shelton had 1.5. Both were number one round picks. Yet there are Browns fans here still saying that Danny was a "solid" player. I'm surprised the Browns got anything for this guy at all.

Then there's the inane argument that "well Danny only played on running downs". What's a running down? In the NFL, you can't throw the ball on first or second down? Maybe Myles Garrett should only play on passing downs. I'm sure the Browns were thinking Shelton was only going to be a part time player when they picked him in the first round.

Dorsey so far gets an A plus from me for cleaning house.

 

[Los216]

Ndamukong Suh is reportedly going to be released today by the Dolphins. Over the past 3 seasons, Suh, in the twilight of his career, had 15.5 sacks. Danny Shelton had 1.5. Both were number one round picks. Yet there are Browns fans here still saying that Danny was a "solid" player. I'm surprised the Browns got anything for this guy at all.

Then there's the inane argument that "well Danny only played on running downs". What's a running down? In the NFL, you can't throw the ball on first or second down? Maybe Myles Garrett should only play on passing downs. I'm sure the Browns were thinking Shelton was only going to be a part time player when they picked him in the first round.

Dorsey so far gets an A plus from me for cleaning house.

 

[AZ_]

Ndamukong Suh is reportedly going to be released today by the Dolphins. Over the past 3 seasons, Suh, in the twilight of his career, had 15.5 sacks. Danny Shelton had 1.5. Both were number one round picks. Yet there are Browns fans here still saying that Danny was a "solid" player. I'm surprised the Browns got anything for this guy at all.

Then there's the inane argument that "well Danny only played on running downs". What's a running down? In the NFL, you can't throw the ball on first or second down? Maybe Myles Garrett should only play on passing downs. I'm sure the Browns were thinking Shelton was only going to be a part time player when they picked him in the first round.

Dorsey so far gets an A plus from me for cleaning house.

The fact you’d limit Suh’s impact to 15.5 plays over three years is probably your first mistake.

If he’s only making an impact on 15 plays over the next three years, hard pass.



What even is a running down?

 

[Phills14]

Why is it so hard to understand that Shelton's role was NOT to get sacks?

His role is a space eating NT in a 3-4 defense that has to take on both the guard and center in order to create a blocking mismatch and allow the linebackers to penetrate the blocking scheme. Vince Wilfork, a 5 time pro bowler, is one of the better 3-4 NT in recent memory. He played 13 seasons and recorded 16 sacks.

Suh is a DT in a 4-3 scheme where he is expected to slip the blockers in order to create pressure in the face of the quarterback and force him out of the pocket.

They play different positions in different defensive fronts and are completely different players. Just because they play in the middle of the defensive line doesn't mean they are expected to do the same things.

Using sack totals to grade Shelton is like measuring a MLB pitcher by his batting average.

 

[natedagg]

Nothing to do with sacks - I just never thought he was that good. I always just saw him sucking wind and occupying space. I get that his job was to occupy space but it's just not that simple. There are some incredibly disruptive NT's out there, or DT's now (4-3). I didn't watch all of the games, but what I saw was that when he broke through, pretty much any QB could roll away from him with ease, and I thought many offenses, especially the creative ones, simply ran plays to take advantage of his lack of lateral quickness. Like I said, I don't watch much at all, so I could be way wrong. Like did he ever take over a game? I just can't say I'm upset on this one.

That said - good luck to him. He's going to a much better fit and he'll have a chance to earn a nice payday somewhere if he has a good year. I think we'll be just fine on the interior without him once FA and the draft shake out.

 

[Soda]

Why is it so hard to understand that Shelton's role was NOT to get sacks?

His role is a space eating NT in a 3-4 defense that has to take on both the guard and center in order to create a blocking mismatch and allow the linebackers to penetrate the blocking scheme. Vince Wilfork, a 5 time pro bowler, is one of the better 3-4 NT in recent memory. He played 13 seasons and recorded 16 sacks.

Suh is a DT in a 4-3 scheme where he is expected to slip the blockers in order to create pressure in the face of the quarterback and force him out of the pocket.

They play different positions in different defensive fronts and are completely different players. Just because they play in the middle of the defensive line doesn't mean they are expected to do the same things.

Using sack totals to grade Shelton is like measuring a MLB pitcher by his batting average.

It wouldn't be difficult to understand if the poster in mind did more than simply log-on for an onslaught of confrontations and guaransheeds. What you're spelling out is something we've discussed in Browns Talk enough times for everyone to understand.

 

[AZ_]

Why is it so hard to understand that Shelton's role was NOT to get sacks?

In fairness, only one guy whose here to troll isn't understanding that.

The rest of us are making fun of him because we're still six grueling weeks away from this effing draft.