'Canes Football In Deep Sh*t

[The Oi]

These things happen, but to just assume every program does it like that...especially on THIS level, is asinine to say the least.

I disagree with this one b00bie. I'd venture to take an admittedly uneducated guess that a pretty considerable portion (maybe 50%+ MINIMUM) of SUCCESSFUL football and basketball programs do things on this level. I mean, let's say you're a blue chip athlete coming out of HS and you're looking at 3 teams with similar histories, coaching, competitiveness and a rep for producing NFL quality players...how is a team going to set itself apart from the pack? I have to believe that some of these players make it known to their courtiers what other schools are offering them and ask them to get close through whatever conduit (boosters) they have. And I have to believe that some schools prevent the players from even looking elsewhere by giving players everything they want right off the bat.

I just don't trust that teams are setting themselves apart with location, quality coaching, character and a family-oriented atmosphere. When they're courting players this has to be happening and then once they're on the team they're obligated to continue to take care of their talent. I sincerely doubt that the UF's and Alabamas and LSU's, and a lot of the up and coming programs aren't surrounded by guys like Shapiro who want to feel important and who are important enough to the players overall satisfaction that the program will look the other way. I mean just doing the math....how many rich alumni do these schools have? It just seems like simple math that would suggest there has to be SOME guys out there willing to donate to the Football Fund.

I really don't have anything to confirm this and I'm not claiming to. I'm just drawing the conclusion based on the sheer amount of programs getting caught lately, human nature, and an inability to register how similar programs can set themselves apart from one another.

In the end, the real question is WHOM you can prove was aware of this activity. The higher up it goes the more likely I think the NCAA is going to be willing to establish more severe repercussions for teams doing this. Let's be real...this isn't going to stop until the NCAA shows a real willingness to cut off football and basketball-dependent schools at the legs with death penalties. If they demonstrate a willingness to hand out the death penalty, I have to believe teams will employ whatever resources it takes to self-regulate these kinds of things. I highly doubt the NCAA would take these steps and upset the status quo. But if we're really going to claim we want to watch a "pure" game, then this is the only way it can be done.

 

[Scrote Squad]

With a booster, allegedly, paying for abortions, some could say that the death penalty has already been given in Miami.


Too soon?

 

[Coyote850]

No big surprise here. I think alot of people thought UM players were getting paid in some form or fashion all the way back to the Jimmy Johnson era.

 

[AZ_]

I disagree with this one b00bie. I'd venture to take an admittedly uneducated guess that a pretty considerable portion (maybe 50%+ MINIMUM) of SUCCESSFUL football and basketball programs do things on this level. I mean, let's say you're a blue chip athlete coming out of HS and you're looking at 3 teams with similar histories, coaching, competitiveness and a rep for producing NFL quality players...how is a team going to set itself apart from the pack? I have to believe that some of these players make it known to their courtiers what other schools are offering them and ask them to get close through whatever conduit (boosters) they have. And I have to believe that some schools prevent the players from even looking elsewhere by giving players everything they want right off the bat.

I just don't trust that teams are setting themselves apart with location, quality coaching, character and a family-oriented atmosphere. When they're courting players this has to be happening and then once they're on the team they're obligated to continue to take care of their talent. I sincerely doubt that the UF's and Alabamas and LSU's, and a lot of the up and coming programs aren't surrounded by guys like Shapiro who want to feel important and who are important enough to the players overall satisfaction that the program will look the other way. I mean just doing the math....how many rich alumni do these schools have? It just seems like simple math that would suggest there has to be SOME guys out there willing to donate to the Football Fund.

I really don't have anything to confirm this and I'm not claiming to. I'm just drawing the conclusion based on the sheer amount of programs getting caught lately, human nature, and an inability to register how similar programs can set themselves apart from one another.

In the end, the real question is WHOM you can prove was aware of this activity. The higher up it goes the more likely I think the NCAA is going to be willing to establish more severe repercussions for teams doing this. Let's be real...this isn't going to stop until the NCAA shows a real willingness to cut off football and basketball-dependent schools at the legs with death penalties. If they demonstrate a willingness to hand out the death penalty, I have to believe teams will employ whatever resources it takes to self-regulate these kinds of things. I highly doubt the NCAA would take these steps and upset the status quo. But if we're really going to claim we want to watch a "pure" game, then this is the only way it can be done.

Saying it happens on a level like OSU, I can 100 percent get on board with that. I don't consider much of what happened there to be all that serious outside of Tressel's grave mistake.

USC, perhaps...although I find it hard to believe assistant coaches are facilitating relationships with agents or bringing on NFL consultants without notifying the compliance department.

Miami?....Whole different ball-game, were talking about MILLIONS (...and MILLIONS) in straight cash homey.

This is unbelievable how much went on here, unprecedented back to the days of SMU.

While it's a known fact schools commit secondary violations and there is probably some other stuff which goes on under the table, I can't imagine it's anywhere near the severity of this.

Schools are going to have a large alumni base and football is any major programs bread and butter, there is always a high level of competitiveness. But that doesn't mean there is bounds of illegal and illicit activity going on at every school.

Unethical? You betcha. But there are always ways around the rules.

 

[ssopata]

Uncle Luke defends himself....

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/08/nevin_shapiro_can_kiss_my_ass.php

Nevin Shapiro wishes he could wear my shorts for one day. The New Jersey-born Napoleon dubbed himself "Little Luke" in a so-called investigative report by Yahoo! Sports claiming all sorts of corrupt shit Shapiro committed while he was a booster of the University of Miami athletics program.

The claims even include hooking up football players with prostitutes and buying them bottles at Mansion. That punk could never be me.

And that's just the set up.

 

[3 Da Hard Way]

 

[TJ Detweiler]

[video=youtube;IUH3JQjcweM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUH3JQjcweM[/video]

 

[CPK]

Butt-hurt

 

[elcheato]

Chris Perez chimes in:

ChrisPerez54 Chris Perez
I'm not upset about the U allegations, I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating

 

[blank964]

College athletics is corrupt. OSU, USC, Miami, whoever you want to name the whole damn system is corrupt and it's time for there to be minor league athletics. These kids aren't stupid and they know they're busting their ass and putting millions in universities' pockets so there's always going to be people willing to give them things.

 

[Surge]

Miami @ tOSU

"The Ineliga-bowl"

Heard that on the radio today and thought it was funny, even though I love tOSU...

 

[The Voice]

That statement is no more educated than it is now.

These things happen, but to just assume every program does it like that...especially on THIS level, is asinine to say the least.

And I've never claimed Yahoo to be on a witchhunt...ESPN on the other hand, has already been proven to be.

Disputing that and then calling people naive if they don't believe your theory of nationwide college football program corruption based on no evidence except "if you don't believe this youre dumb", pretty much sums you up as a poster in general....

 

[AZ_]

Cool photo man!

I'm more convinced of your opinion of nationwide college football corruption now more than EVER!

With all the evidence to support this theory, it's so hard not to!

 

[ZooCrewDude]

From ESPN article about Tebow: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6874535/tim-tebow-formerly-florida-gators-laughs-report-bounty-miami-hurricanes

Three of Tebow's teammates in Denver are former Hurricanes who were named in the Yahoo! report. Linebacker D.J. Williams, running back Willis McGahee and rookie right tackle Orlando Franklin have all declined to discuss the allegations.

"I ain't talking about Miami," McGahee said Wednesday night. "I'm out of Miami."

Does that mean he doesn't want his championship ring from the OSU-MIA title game anymore?

 

[Believeland-OH]

Of the dozens of Miami players named in Yahoo's now-infamous report from disgraced embezzler and Miami booster Nevin Shapiro, detailing a massive pattern of illegal benefits given to players over a period of nine years, 12 are still with the Hurricanes, awaiting word on the fate of their eligibility. That's a situation without a whole lot of extra time to be resolved, as the Hurricanes open up play just nine days from Thursday.

[MORE: Twelve current Miami players named in report]

To that end, the Miami Herald is reporting that all 12 players are expected to be named ineligible by the university soon -- but with a better resolution in mind:

If it hasn’t already, the University of Miami is expected to declare the 12 or more football players being investigated by the NCAA ineligible within the next week if the school wants the NCAA to rule on their reinstatement in time for the season opener Sept. 5 at Maryland.

UM had not declared the players ineligible as of early Wednesday afternoon, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.

This is, if nothing else, a precautionary step; by declaring the players ineligible, the school puts the players' fate in the hands of the NCAA rather than putting the players on the field and rolling the dice with NCAA penalties. The one single way Miami could face the most severe penalties from here on out is if the team knowingly lets players with eligibility problems compete anyway (look what knowingly putting Terrell Pryor and his friends back onto the field in 2010 did to Jim Tressel and Ohio State, for example). With a declaration of ineligibility for all players involved, Miami demonstrates a proper respect for NCAA rules and protocol.

Moreover, as the Herald article explains, the sooner these players are ruled ineligible, the more likely it is the NCAA rules on their punishment before the September 5 season opener against Maryland, which is the first day that ineligibility would truly matter. For example, as astute fans will recall, Cam Newton was declared ineligible by Auburn last season. Auburn quietly made the designation on the Tuesday prior to the SEC Championship Game, then happily announced Newton's reinstatement by the NCAA the very next day. While it's unlikely any of the 'Canes receive similar one-day vacations from eligibility, a ruling and subsequent course of punishment could come similarly quickly from the NCAA, and then at the very least the process back to the field will have begun for the players involved.

It's important to note that rulings on individual eligibility are separate from the NCAA's investigation into institutions, so even if the 12 players get their situations worked out within the next week or two, Miami itself is still in for what's probably a lengthy investigation. Here's more from the Herald:

Stacey Osburn, the NCAA’s associate director of public and media relations, told The Miami Herald in a phone interview that she could not comment on any specific cases, but elaborated on aspects of the process. In a reinstatement situation, any decision involves only that specific player and the facts presented. It is separate from the overall investigation of the institution, although if it is later found that a reinstatement decision is based on lies told by an athlete, the institution is subject to more severe penalties.

Still, as mentioned before, the 12 players don't have the luxury of waiting even two weeks (much less until the end of the investigation) before they need to have their eligibility resolved, so if and when Miami declares them all ineligible, it gets the ball rolling on putting them all back on the field, and it's therefore for their own good.

Basically talks about how The U will likely rule the plays ineligible for the start of the season then risk them playing and facing future consequences as a result. They also hope ruling them ineligible now will allow for a quicker NCAA turn around in the investigation. Now we just need a Michigan St. scandal.