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I typically drive about 400-450 miles per day. I usually haul and/or tow a lot of heavy equipment, furniture, etc., so I need something large and rugged with a lot of towing capacity. Basically I need a larger SUV or truck. Oh, and it has to be under $40K or I can't afford it.

Which electric vehicle would you recommend I buy?
Probably no EV will be able to hit these marks for a while. A diesel hybrid would probably will come to market first and get close to be effective at all these things. Hopefully they will give a plug in option when diesel hybrids comes to market.

Really with what is currently offered, a turbocharged diesel V6 that alot of manufactures have turned to would make the most sense. A normal gas hybrid doesn't make sense if you are towing alot and you are doing alot of highway miles.

Even if you had the money and the tow capacity was enough with the Tesla model X, I'm not sure the shorten range would make sense at all. You would be stopping alot and you would have to drive fairly slow to not absolutely kill your range.
 

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Probably no EV will be able to hit these marks for a while. A diesel hybrid would probably will come to market first and get close to be effective at all these things. Hopefully they will give a plug in option when diesel hybrids comes to market.

Really with what is currently offered, a turbocharged diesel V6 that alot of manufactures have turned to would make the most sense. A normal gas hybrid doesn't make sense if you are towing alot and you are doing alot of highway miles.

Even if you had the money and the tow capacity was enough with the Tesla model X, I'm not sure the shorten range would make sense at all. You would be stopping alot and you would have to drive fairly slow to not absolutely kill your range.
why totally ignore the fuel costs, the more someone drives, the more the fuel savings pays for the vehicle.

Police departments are starting to switch to Tesla Model 3 because the fuel savings alone more than pays for the car. And that's based on and average of 120 miles/driving per shift.
 

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We bought our first Tesla last week, liked it so much we bought our second one this week and went gas free. It's like going from a flip phone to a smart phone.

Then yesterday Tesla added ton of features to both cars for free via an over the air software update.


 

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why totally ignore the fuel costs, the more someone drives, the more the fuel savings pays for the vehicle.

Police departments are starting to switch to Tesla Model 3 because the fuel savings alone more than pays for the car. And that's based on and average of 120 miles/driving per shift.
Time is money for alot of people though. If he is towing with a model x and has to stop because the range is below 150 miles while having to drive 55-60mph to do so, it might not be worth it to him especially if he is using the car for business.
 
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Time is money for alot of people though. If he is towing with a model x and has to stop because the range is below 150 miles while having to drive 55-60mph to do so, it might not be worth it to him especially if he is using the car for business.
you have to spend time to get gas too, right? Home charge it overnight, supercharge it during lunch. No time wasted.

Money is money too, right. Save at least $42/day in gas. 425miles/20MPG*$2.5/gallon = $53. Assume it's completely empty at night (not likely). Costs $11 to fill it at 11 cents/KWh. Supercharging at lunch is free. That's for Model X. Model 3 costs $8.25 to completely charge from 0 with 2 years of free charing at lunch.

Also eliminate a massive amount of carbon emissions.

Also the car itself last much, much longer, so save on having to replace it (Model 3 designed to last 1 million miles). Once it's paid off, it's basically printing money vs having to buy and fuel a new vehicle
 
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you have to get gas too, right? Charge it overnight, charge it during lunch. No time wasted.
How much did it cost you to get a 240v outlet installed in your garage? Generally curious.
 

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you have to get gas too, right? Charge it overnight, charge it during lunch. No time wasted.
How long does it take to charge an electric car?

Wouldn't as much as he drives take more than 2 charges a day, I get they have improved batteries, but he is probably idling allot, and really abusing a vehicle to get it all done.

He probably right now falls into a small percentage, maybe 1% who really cant have their needs met by an electric car at this point.
 

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you have to get gas too, right? Charge it overnight, charge it during lunch. No time wasted.
We get into debates about this all the time. For some people it makes sense, for other and in @Cratylus, I don't think it does. I also think pushing people into EVs where it doesn't truly make sense for them or they don't think thru all the downsides of it, hurts the EV cause. Those will be the people who will be the loudest about how bad their experience with EVs were and will potential stop people who truly could use a EV from switch to one.

I'm not against EVs at all but I push back at some of your stuff because I think people need a full perspective of it.
 

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Money is money too, right. Save at least $42/day in gas. 425miles/20MPG*$2.5/gallon = $53. Assume it's completely empty at night (not likely). Costs $11 to fill it at 11 cents/KWh. Supercharging at lunch is free. That's for Model X. Model 3 costs $8.25 to completely charge from 0 with 2 years of free charing at lunch.

Also eliminate a massive amount of carbon emissions.

Also the car itself last much, much longer, so save on having to replace it (Model 3 designed to last 1 million miles). Once it's paid off, it's basically printing money vs having to buy and fuel a new vehicle
But you don't take into account the cost to replace the battery. How long do you think a Telsa battery will actually last if he is driving 85k a year? Also how much does it cost to replace a model X battery today? 20k?

This Telsa model S has 400k on it but has had the battery replaced twice. It doesn't say anything about how much it cost them to replace.

 

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But you don't take into account the cost to replace the battery. How long do you think a Telsa battery will actually last if he is driving 85k a year? Also how much does it cost to replace a model X battery today? 20k?

This Telsa model S has 400k on it but has had the battery replaced twice. It doesn't say anything about how much it cost them to replace.

Those replacements were free. Model X and S batteries are guaranteed for 8 years, unlimited miles. So 85k miles/year, guaranteed 680k miles of working battery/drive train. How many SUVs or trucks are going to be guaranteed to still be working after 680k miles?
 
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How long does it take to charge an electric car?

Wouldn't as much as he drives take more than 2 charges a day, I get they have improved batteries, but he is probably idling allot, and really abusing a vehicle to get it all done.

He probably right now falls into a small percentage, maybe 1% who really cant have their needs met by an electric car at this point.
takes under 10 hours to fully charge Model X with wall connector. So plug it in when you get home, it's going to be full before you leave in the morning, no matter how empty it is when you get home.

Supercharger v3 takes 7 minutes to add 100 miles of range on model 3. Takes a little longer on model X. Last 20% takes longer, but you don't have to charge it to full. v2 takes 2x as long.

Leave the house with it full, charge 20-30 minutes while you are on lunch, and maybe stop for 10-15 minutes later in the day (if it's a long day, or to account for towing potentially lowering the range). With all of the daytime charging times cut in half when v3 superchargers are available. Already have to stop and get gas once/day.
 

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We get into debates about this all the time. For some people it makes sense, for other and in @Cratylus, I don't think it does. I also think pushing people into EVs where it doesn't truly make sense for them or they don't think thru all the downsides of it, hurts the EV cause. Those will be the people who will be the loudest about how bad their experience with EVs were and will potential stop people who truly could use a EV from switch to one.

I'm not against EVs at all but I push back at some of your stuff because I think people need a full perspective of it.
it's at least worth considering. Too many people just assume it won't work for them and don't even consider it. They don't consider fuel costs, they don't consider maintenance costs, they don't consider vehicle lifetime differences. And they sure don't consider safety. Every single Tesla comes with autopilot standard. Autopilot makes people about 7x less likely to get in an accident vs the average driver, and it constantly gets improved via free software updates.

Of course, 90% of people think they are better than the average driver, which clearly isn't possible. I could post pages and pages of video from people who were saved from accidents they couldn't see coming themselves because of autopilot.

Eliminating my gas consumption is why we bought EVs, Autopilot is why the EVs we bought were Teslas.
 

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took my first long drive in my Tesla yesterday, supercharging on the way, and realized two potential issues for @Cratylus case.

1 - would have to disconnect what’s being towed to supercharge and then connect it back up when done,
2 - need Supercharger in convenient location so don’t have to go out of the way to charge. Along highways, this isn’t an issue.

also would need to figure out the range while towing and at the speeds driving To determine how many times to charge. Probably will be a better solution when the electric trucks becoem available.
 

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Sooooo about that separate Tesla thread....

I am actually up for a new vehicle in the next few months and was looking at the VW Atlas or the Honda Passport. Not sure if anyone has any experience with either of those cars?
 

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took my first long drive in my Tesla yesterday, supercharging on the way, and realized two potential issues for @Cratylus case.

1 - would have to disconnect what’s being towed to supercharge and then connect it back up when done,
2 - need Supercharger in convenient location so don’t have to go out of the way to charge. Along highways, this isn’t an issue.

also would need to figure out the range while towing and at the speeds driving To determine how many times to charge. Probably will be a better solution when the electric trucks becoem available.
Thanks man. Gonna wait for the electric trucks to start coming out and see what their capabilities are and how much they cost.
 

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