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MikeOC33 said:
Everyone's taste are their own, but I really liked the look of the Hyundai Iconic 6. It's a swoopy looking sedan, and Hyundai has super fast charging options. If I didn't need more room in the back, the 6 might've been top of my list.

I also like the E tron. Really enjoyed the A3 I had for 8,9 years, but it developed a number of sporatic electronic gremlins, thus I got rid of it before I had to start fixing them, and thus didn't consider another Audi, especially an EV.
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Iconic 6 has gotten rave reviews from two friends of mine
 
There's a reason most EV's are easy to get as there are a ton available. Almost nobody wants them. The only people who like them are people who haven't had them long enough to know what they got themselves into.
 
Jake said:
There's a reason most EV's are easy to get as there are a ton available. Almost nobody wants them. The only people who like them are people who haven't had them long enough to know what they got themselves into.
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Oh. OK. Sure.
Putting mine up for sale on E Bay as I type.
Thanks for your informed opinion (sarcasm).
 
MikeOC33 said:
Oh. OK. Sure.
Putting mine up for sale on E Bay as I type.
Thanks for your informed opinion (sarcasm).
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Good luck with whatever decision you make. I follow car stuff quite a bit and EV sales are poor. Look into it. It's been discussed here and elsewhere, the pros and cons. Four people just died in Toronto crash locked in their Tesla on fire where they couldn't get out. Probably not the norm but still concerning. For me for a primary car, living in Cleveland, an EV won't work without too much effort and change.
I'm in the market now for a new vehicle and I'm going ICE again.
 
I understand the car market, and probably follow the industry closer than anyone other than a dealer on this board (father was a used car salesman and mechanic, so I grew up in the industry. I was pumping gas and checking oil when I was 8, and changing oil and putting studs in studded snow tires (and sweeping the garage of course) etc., when I wasn't much older. I literally grew up and "played" in a car lot/garage. Worked and retired in the tire industry, specifically the Indy car tire segment. So yeah, cars, engines, tires... I've been around

THAT said, I really am not concerned with the market or sales numbers when it comes to my decisions. Also living in the Clev area (Akron area actually), this EV has been great so far. The EV availability worked in my favor. Plenty to choose from. The vehicle is top marks. The range is great.
I charge at home, super convenient.
The battery longevity is not a concern, having talked to other EV owners (as mentioned upstream) and they have had no long term issues with battery failure or abnormal range loss. Plus, I hold onto vehicles for 8-10 years, so I have zero concern for that time frame. Trade-in value will be what it is

Now as I also said earlier, I am a perfect demographic for EVs. Retired, so I don't have a daily commute. Most of my driving is local. Have an ICE in the garage if I'm traveling far. Charger in the garage. Again, I don't let the media control my decisions and raise fears or concerns. Evs are NOT for everyone, but then neither are motorcycles (had 3), pickup trucks (had 2), or mini vans (never). And if you really followed car stuff, you'd read that many EV reviews are VERY positive. And if you ever rode in one with a knowledgeable driver, you'd see the appeal for that person.

I've got nothing against ICE vehicles. Not a fan of self driving cars or the myriad of safety nannies. But I'm also not afraid of new technology, even in it's infancy. My money, my decision.
 
Jake said:
There's a reason most EV's are easy to get as there are a ton available. Almost nobody wants them. The only people who like them are people who haven't had them long enough to know what they got themselves into.
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We've owned EVs for 5 years now and wouldn't own anything else. What's inconvenient is
- pumping gas (and breathing the gas fumes while you do it).:puke:
- oil changes
- other car maintenance required for gas cars/transmissions
 
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Jake said:
Good luck with whatever decision you make. I follow car stuff quite a bit and EV sales are poor. Look into it. It's been discussed here and elsewhere, the pros and cons. Four people just died in Toronto crash locked in their Tesla on fire where they couldn't get out. Probably not the norm but still concerning. For me for a primary car, living in Cleveland, an EV won't work without too much effort and change.
I'm in the market now for a new vehicle and I'm going ICE again.
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Why do you think it's hard to plug in an EV? Do you manage to have your phone work every day?

Something is seriously wrong with that story, the door has a manual release.

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KI4MVP said:
Something is seriously wrong with that story, the door has a manual release.

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And just how hard do you think it is to plug in an EV? Do you manage to have your phone work every day?
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I’ve seen multiple other Tesla claims where the vehicle caught fire and the doors wouldn’t open.

Purely anecdotal, but it’s the only car I’ve seen that has had locked door fire fatalities.
 
DJTJ said:
I’ve seen multiple other Tesla claims where the vehicle caught fire and the doors wouldn’t open.

Purely anecdotal, but it’s the only car I’ve seen that has had locked door fire fatalities.
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There's a manual release, I posted the picture.

Tesla is the only car where stories of any accidents start with the brand of the car, intentionally skewing perception when Tesla makes the safest cars on the planet.

If you want to avoid car fires, buy a Tesla, if you want to avoid car accidents, buy a Tesla and use autopilot/FSD.

Fires:

Our global data indicates that, between 2012 and 2022, approximately one Tesla vehicle fire event occurred for every 130 million vehicle miles traveled. By comparison, data from the NFPA and U.S. Department of Transportation indicate that one vehicle fire occurs in the United States for every 18 million miles traveled. Compared to average vehicles on the road, Tesla vehicles are comparatively even less likely to be involved in a fire event than these numbers suggest, because Tesla's data includes fire events that are caused by structure fires, wildfires, arson, and other causes unrelated to the vehicle, whereas the NFPA data excludes any fires where a structure is involved.​

Accidents:

In the 3rd quarter, we recorded one crash for every 7.08 million miles driven in which drivers were using Autopilot technology. For drivers who were not using Autopilot technology, we recorded one crash for every 1.29 million miles driven. By comparison, the most recent data available from NHTSA and FHWA (from 2022) shows that in the United States there was an automobile crash approximately every 670,000 miles.​

 
DJTJ said:
I’ve seen multiple other Tesla claims where the vehicle caught fire and the doors wouldn’t open.

Purely anecdotal, but it’s the only car I’ve seen that has had locked door fire fatalities.
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To follow up, it's the only one where the headline tells you the kind of car involved, and tries to blame the car. Quick search, all within the last few days, all separate people dying in car fires. Only fire story with kind of car in the headline is the Tesla fire, which then goes national

www.newson6.com

Man Dies In Overnight Car Fire In Newalla

A man is dead after an overnight car fire in Newalla, authorities say.
www.newson6.com www.newson6.com




www.wfsb.com

Passenger killed in vehicle crash, fire in Ellington

A passenger was killed in a vehicle crash and fire that happened in Ellington on Monday night.
www.wfsb.com www.wfsb.com

www.latimes.com

Longtime Camarillo Mayor Michael Morgan dies in car crash, and wife is severely injured

Six-time mayor of Camarillo and devoted community member Michael Morgan died in a car accident Tuesday, the city announced. His wife, Donna, was severely injured.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com

 
KI4MVP said:
To follow up, it's the only one where the headline tells you the kind of car involved, and tries to blame the car. Quick search, all within the last few days, all separate people dying in car fires. Only fire story with kind of car in the headline is the Tesla fire, which then goes national

www.newson6.com

Man Dies In Overnight Car Fire In Newalla

A man is dead after an overnight car fire in Newalla, authorities say.
www.newson6.com www.newson6.com




www.wfsb.com

Passenger killed in vehicle crash, fire in Ellington

A passenger was killed in a vehicle crash and fire that happened in Ellington on Monday night.
www.wfsb.com www.wfsb.com

www.latimes.com

Longtime Camarillo Mayor Michael Morgan dies in car crash, and wife is severely injured

Six-time mayor of Camarillo and devoted community member Michael Morgan died in a car accident Tuesday, the city announced. His wife, Donna, was severely injured.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com

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Heads up, I said anecdotally because I’ve actually handled and have assisted claims of this magnitude. I didn’t mean claims of it happening posted in a news article.

I’ve literally seen charred bodies in Teslas and read accompanying police/fire reports.
 
DJTJ said:
I’ve seen multiple other Tesla claims where the vehicle caught fire and the doors wouldn’t open.

Purely anecdotal, but it’s the only car I’ve seen that has had locked door fire fatalities.
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Three 19 year-olds burned to death here the day before Thanksgiving when their Cybertruck hit a tree and was engulfed in an inferno.

One kid survived, now in a coma, after climbing out a window.
 
Sebastian said:
Three 19 year-olds burned to death here the day before Thanksgiving when their Cybertruck hit a tree and was engulfed in an inferno.

One kid survived, now in a coma, after climbing out a window.
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Oddly spot on with one I’ve seen, different model.

This isn’t meant to be a slight against Tesla, or to say they don’t have safety features. It’s entirely anecdotal.

But I’ve seen enough to be petrified to be in one if something goes REALLY bad.
 
DJTJ said:
Oddly spot on with one I’ve seen, different model.

This isn’t meant to be a slight against Tesla, or to say they don’t have safety features. It’s entirely anecdotal.

But I’ve seen enough to be petrified to be in one if something goes REALLY bad.
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According to firefighters ICE vehicles are more likely to catch fire.

But EV fires are several magnitudes worse and intensive.

Also, ICE vehicles are far less likely to catch fire while parked minding its business.

In the past four years I have seen two Teslas on fire that were simply parked in a parking lot.

Another I saw on fire on I-280, but assume that was an accident.
 
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