Caris LeVert: Two More Years!

[Canoe]

When we traded for Caris LeVert the only asset with value we gave up was a lottery protected first round pick. I’m confused how his value has improved in the intervening 9 months. I think we need to set expectations far lower for any return for him.

 

[Futuredome]

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[HammerGold]

This guy has very low trade value. It wasn't high when we acquired him and it's only gone down since.

 

[gambler]

When we traded for Caris LeVert the only asset with value we gave up was a lottery protected first round pick. I’m confused how his value has improved in the intervening 9 months. I think we need to set expectations far lower for any return for him.

the cavs are a world-class organization....no way they accept a second for caris as they are in "win now" mode. a second does shit for them this year...or pretty much any year for that matter as you can find that in the g-league...and that is not even taking into consideration that levert averaged solid numbers in 9 playoff games where experience could come at a premium for this young team

even a first might be questionable...you can make an argument that its better to wait it out and hope that caris current stretch is similar to his jan 2020 stretch(albeit coming off thumb surgery) or march 2021

Caris LeVert 2019-20 Stats per Game - NBA - ESPN

The 2019-20 NBA season stats per game for Caris LeVert of the Cleveland Cavaliers on ESPN. Includes full stats, per opponent, for regular and postseason.

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Caris LeVert 2020-21 Stats per Game - NBA - ESPN

The 2020-21 NBA season stats per game for Caris LeVert of the Cleveland Cavaliers on ESPN. Includes full stats, per opponent, for regular and postseason.

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the cavs management would look like complete fools...which they are not...should they accept a pathetic nothing second for caris and then lavert goes off for the rest of the year on another team and averages 15 on 45/35 splits off the bench having the ability to play both the 2 and the 3.

somebody here irresponsibely claimed that 30 year old, injury-free harrison barnes was washed up because he had a bad stretch of games in october and hes right back posting career averages in november

no...you dont do stupid shit like fire jb....you dont trade dg because he had some bad games and you dont trade caris for a second....you ride this fuker out and hope that you can swap out for a starting caliber three sometime between now and the trade deadline and then the cavs become co-faves to win the title

thats why you bet on world-class organizations at 100/1 because you dont have to worry about them doing stupid-ass shit that a lot of fans with no basketball or business knowledge want them to do.

fire jb?...

ffs...

 

[World B ThAreee]

Levert is exactly who he’s always been. The problem is people have unrealistic expectations. He is a guy who can create his own shot, but he is an inefficient scorer and struggles around the rim. If he brings 100% effort on D (which he has this season) he can be a key role player on a playoff team. If your expectation is that he’s going to suddenly (after 8 years) turn into an ideal, efficient 3 and D who can be your 3rd scoring option, the problem is in your head.

And anyone breaking their arm to pat themselves on the back for predicting his performance this year… it was literally the most predictable thing about the team this year.

The only thing I hope is that they can eventually have enough talent to keep him at 22 mpg (not 32 mpg). He can be a valuable piece, just not in high volumes.

 

[Cassity14]

Levert is exactly who he’s always been. The problem is people have unrealistic expectations. He is a guy who can create his own shot, but he is an inefficient scorer and struggles around the rim. If he brings 100% effort on D (which he has this season) he can be a key role player on a playoff team. If your expectation is that he’s going to suddenly (after 8 years) turn into an ideal, efficient 3 and D who can be your 3rd scoring option, the problem is in your head.

And anyone breaking their arm to pat themselves on the back for predicting his performance this year… it was literally the most predictable thing about the team this year.

The only thing I hope is that they can eventually have enough talent to keep him at 22 mpg (not 32 mpg). He can be a valuable piece, just not in high volumes.

I think there was hope that playing on team with multiple other threats would unlock him to be more efficient than he has in his career. His teammates in Brooklyn and Indiana were fine, but he’d never played with 3 all-stars before.

 

[Dr No]

I think there was hope that playing on team with multiple other threats would unlock him to be more efficient than he has in his career. His teammates in Brooklyn and Indiana were fine, but he’d never played with 3 all-stars before.

Changing your role can be much harder than people realize. If you've played your whole life with the ball in your hands (and succeeded doing it), it can be very hard to get the same feel for the game when the ball comes your way much less often and your shots are far more spread out. Its even harder for guys who have started and played heavy minutes to learn to come in ready to produce off the bench. Some guys never make the transition.

 

[BigZ94]

To your point, one of the few realistic trades I see would be LeVert for Fournier + ‘23 Mavs or Wiz protected 1st. Mavs pick is the one we’d want since it’s top 10 protected.

While Fournier hasn’t played great this year, he wouldn’t be coming here to start. He’s still 6’7” and a career 38% 3pt shooter and shoots 44.4% from the corners for his career. Knicks are a clunky team and needed him to be a starter at SF. We’d just need him to come off the bench, bomb threes, and be a long body we can throw at bigger guards and forwards.

Knicks want to dump Fournier and LeVert has some NY connections. While Fournier’s contract isn’t great, the final year is a team option, meaning he’s basically an expiring contract next year. That means a trade like this would give us a large expiring plus a potential 1st to make a move next offseason.

As you said though, that’s probably the type of trade we’re realistically looking at for LeVert. He might not be a guy a tanking team wants to use as a salary dump unless they’re waiving him or buying him out because he’s still a guy that can help a bad team win games they don’t want to win.

Definitely feasible as the Knicks always want cap space to chase those big FAs that never sign there

 

[Jscc]

I thought we missed LeVert against Atlanta when we had Okoro guarding Trae Young. That was ugly. Okoro doesn't have the quicks to check a point guard like Young. He's a small forward.

According to cleaningtheglass.com, the Cavs are +22 in LeVert's 31 minutes at point guard, +12.8 in his 330 minutes at shooting guard, and -3.4 in his 160 minutes at small forward.

The Cavs' most commonly used lineup of Garland, Mitchell, LeVert, Mobley, and Allen is -4.3 in 222 possessions.

I think we have a large enough sample to indicate that playing LeVert at the 3 isn't working. It might improve with time since playing the 3 is new to him, but not that much IMO.

With Dean Wade at the 3 the Cavs are +20.6 in 190 minutes. That's in the top 1% of the league.

With Okoro at the 3 we're +6.5 in 113 minutes - that's 10 points better than LeVert. With Stevens at the 3 we're -8.5.

So what to do with LeVert? He's been very good at both guard positions, but we have Garland, Mitchell, and Rubio coming back. The only thing I can think of is having DG and Don each play 32 minutes with LeVert and Rubio 16 each.

I can't see LeVert coming back next year to play 16 minutes a game. He's making almost $19 million this year. If Rubio looks good in January we could try and move LeVert to a West team that needs a guard and at least get a late first round pick out of it. But then we run the risk of an injury to DG, Mitchell, or Rubio trashing our playoff chances.

The bolded part is surprising to me.

 

[Randolphkeys]

To your point, one of the few realistic trades I see would be LeVert for Fournier + ‘23 Mavs or Wiz protected 1st. Mavs pick is the one we’d want since it’s top 10 protected.

Awful.

 

[PIP]

Just not gonna get rid of this dude unless I’m getting something that can contribute back in return…

LeVert is the type of dude who can win you a playoff game….

Can lose you a series too….

Let that sink in!

 

[World B ThAreee]

I think there was hope that playing on team with multiple other threats would unlock him to be more efficient than he has in his career. His teammates in Brooklyn and Indiana were fine, but he’d never played with 3 all-stars before.

I understand that to a certain extent, but I don’t think his game changes much based on who he’s playing with. He does a really good job of creating his own shot and typically does a poor job making those shots. That’s him on every team he’s ever been on. He is consistently inefficient. That said, every once in a while he’ll go off and we get tricked into thinking that’s a potential he could more consistently achieve (or he could trend closer to that than his mean). It’s fool’s gold.

I think he’s done pretty well being a facilitator when he’s been called upon. That’s a niche he could expand on if given the opportunity. With Rubio coming back I don’t see that happening in CLE. The ideal for the Cavs is to give him 15-20 min a night to play active D and take some catch-and-shoot 3s and shoot a terrible % on shots within 12 feet (cuz that’s who he is).

I really like the guy. Solid character and wants to win. He’s just limited in what he can do.

 

[foucault87]

Levert for Mathurin and a 1

 

[HammerGold]

Has no role here when Rubio comes back. He's a back up 2 only, that's like 12 minutes a game lol.

 

[bleedwineandgold03]

He can stay sidelined. Don’t need him tbh. And finally don’t have to see those ugly mid range tough shots that don’t go in