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Carl Nassib

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ChicagoCavFan said:
^ Good guess, as he does not talk to his family either (might be a major reason why). Doubling down with pictures from Hawaii with a lady friend and another couple.

Wish it was a fully accepted part of culture, just as I with my wife. Religion and bigots get in the way, among other things. Hopefully my kids have an opportunity to see a more cohesive US / World....but that is likely wishful thinking...as my generation (I'm mid-40s) still holds these biases that will be ingrained in the children of today.
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I've always felt this quote applies more to culture, acceptance, and the things you mention here. I like to say change happens one funeral at a time.
 
Randolphkeys said:
The Raiders paid him like a #2 DE... but he is comfortably a backup with Yannick Ngakue and Maxx Crosby on the roster.

I'll follow your second point by asking why - in a society where the generation who plays pro sports doesn't care about sexual orientation - is Nassib the only male pro athlete in a major sport to come out? Probably not the teammates who already knew... it is likely the potential harassment from fans who have not accepted the fact society has changed and left them behind.
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I dunno -- I'm almost thinking the opposite.

Some teammates may have "known", and others may just have suspected. That's very different from it being out in the open and publicly confirmed, and I'd suspect some behavior changes by at least some other players. Maybe not overt, but likely noticeable. I am sure there will be the usual expressions of public support from some of those teammates...but the ones who have a problem with it aren't going to be the ones speaking out.

In terms of fans at games, my guess is that that fans who taunt him for that are likely to be ejected by a lot of teams -- certainly if he is able to hear it, anyway.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
I dunno -- I'm almost thinking the opposite.

Some teammates may have "known", and others may just have suspected. That's very different from it being out in the open and publicly confirmed, and I'd suspect some behavior changes by at least some other players. Maybe not overt, but likely noticeable. I am sure there will be the usual expressions of public support from some of those teammates...but the ones who have a problem with it aren't going to be the ones speaking out.

In terms of fans at games, my guess is that that fans who taunt him for that are likely to be ejected by a lot of teams -- certainly if he is able to hear it, anyway.
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They will get ejected whether he hears it or not, IMO.

Good for Nassib. Seems a stand-up dude too. I think that many teammates will be uncomfortable simply because that's where we are at in society, but this is how it goes - they start uncomfortable, then over time, they see that the dude is still just a dude, and over time society changes. I agree that the players with a problem certainly won't be shouting about how uncomfortable they are, but hopefully after some time, we get some feel-good stories about how uncomfortable some players *were* and how that changed.

And let me just get in front of this - I am not at all uncomfortable with anyone's sexual orientation - I just think on a roster of what, 60-90 dudes, somebody is.
 
Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
To throw a bit of optimism into the discussion--there is much less vitriol and backlash in society for something like this compared to something like Jackie Robinson. That's some nice progress.
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I was just thinking about this. The word "f-g" and "f-ggot" were so commonplace when I was growing up. Even friends just calling friends that, with no regard. I am not big into what people can and cannot say, but holy shit we've come a long way and I am happy to say that I don't ever hear that word. Indeed, we have come a long way, yet miles to go.
 
natedagg said:
I was just thinking about this. The word "f-g" and "f-ggot" were so commonplace when I was growing up. Even friends just calling friends that, with no regard. I am not big into what people can and cannot say, but holy shit we've come a long way and I am happy to say that I don't ever hear that word. Indeed, we have come a long way, yet miles to go.
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Yup, I remember how commonplace all of that was. Even just stupid stuff like calling things "gay" as a pejorative has fallen out very quickly... but it's certainly not gone, as you can see right here on RCF.

I still have to break my propensity to want to use the "r" word. I'm trying, but it was so ingrained growing up to call things that. I don't always catch myself. Reprogramming people is hard--we're creatures of habit.
 
Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
Yup, I remember how commonplace all of that was. Even just stupid stuff like using "that's gay" as a pejorative has fallen out very quickly... but it's certainly not gone, as you can see right here on RCF.

I still have to break my propensity to want to use the "r" word. I'm trying, but it was so ingrained growing up to call things that. I don't always catch myself. Reprogramming people is hard--we're creatures of habit.
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Like the "r" word just reminds me of talking to a grandparent. They will say something so casually like "you know Cathy? The one I went to high school with who has that "r"ed kid? Yeah, she's not doing too well."

I feel like it's a relic of the past, like something Bill Burr could get away with because he's funny, but when I hear it, I get this embarrassed feeling for the speaker. Like the n word - if I hear that I am angry. The f word, yeah that'll get me angry too. The r word, last time I heard it was like above, and I had that embarrassed feeling for the offender - for better or worse I was sheepishly smiling because the offender was a relative. I corrected her saying like, it's 2020 we don't use that word anymore, and she was genuinely surprised.

It's not good to say, and maybe it makes me a bit behind the times, but it's more forgivable then the venom in the other words discussed. You are trying, getting better, kicking the habit. You're on your way - just like we don't tolerate certain words, we all have to tolerate people for being creatures of habit and changing over time. That's how I see it anyhow.
 
Sebastian said:
Nassib has earned praise from many people over the years for being a great guy.

What always stuck out to me from his rookie year was him teaching the D-Line room how to invest their money:

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He kinda looks like the guy who played Captain Cold, who incidentally is also gay...
 
Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
Yup, I remember how commonplace all of that was. Even just stupid stuff like calling things "gay" as a pejorative has fallen out very quickly... but it's certainly not gone, as you can see right here on RCF.

I still have to break my propensity to want to use the "r" word. I'm trying, but it was so ingrained growing up to call things that. I don't always catch myself. Reprogramming people is hard--we're creatures of habit.
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The funny thing about the "r" word is out of all the slurs out there, its the only one I can think of that is actually medically correct.

Intellectual disability is now used more often, but the term "mental retardation" is still accepted and used by the AMA.
 
Lee said:
The funny thing about the "r" word is out of all the slurs out there, its the only one I can think of that is actually medically correct.
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Eh, clinging to antiquated medical jargon isn't a valid defense. If I call someone an idiot, I can't get away with saying it's an official medical diagnosis.

If I recall correctly, most of the pejorative words for dumb were medical terms. Idiot, imbecile, etc.

Hmm... I wonder about the medical correctness of "motherfucker"...
 
Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
Eh, clinging to antiquated medical jargon isn't a valid defense. If I call someone an idiot, I can't get away with saying it's an official medical diagnosis.

If I recall correctly, most of the pejorative words for dumb were medical terms. Idiot, imbecile, etc.

Hmm... I wonder about the medical correctness of "motherfucker"...
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Not a defense at all, only reason to use the "r" word is if you are in the medical community and using it properly.

Just saying its the only slur I can think of that is technically a medically correct term.
 
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