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Cavaliers Trade Ideas: 2022-23 regular season edition

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The fact that your 6 foot PG is your go to guy speaks volumes…..again we definitely need a big (6’5-6’6) wing/SG that can shoot and create off the dribble to be that guy (ie PG13, Butler, Leonard, Booker etc). I’m not trying to cap Mobley and Garland’s growth but there is a huge hole on this team and that type of player is needed. I’m not saying mortgage the future (maybe we find that player in the draft) but if we can that player via trade using a package of Sexton, players and second rounders (and/or protected high draft picks) then you do it!
I am still confused as to why Garland can't be our go to scorer in crunch time. He has been clutch af this year and has closed games well.
 
I am still confused as to why Garland can't be our go to scorer in crunch time. He has been clutch af this year and has closed games well.
JMHO but a closer (the one we need) has to have size! He needs to be able to get amongst the trees and finish (no circus shots that Garland is good at) I’m racking my brain (correct me if I’m wrong) but I can’t remember the last 6 foot and under player that was a “true” go to and closer guy.
I’m just asking and wondering.
 
JMHO but a closer (the one we need) has to have size! He needs to be able to get amongst the trees and finish (no circus shots that Garland is good at) I’m racking my brain (correct me if I’m wrong) but I can’t remember the last 6 foot and under player that was a “true” go to and closer guy.
I’m just asking and wondering.
AI, CP3, Steph, Dame. There's a bunch
 
JMHO but a closer (the one we need) has to have size! He needs to be able to get amongst the trees and finish (no circus shots that Garland is good at) I’m racking my brain (correct me if I’m wrong) but I can’t remember the last 6 foot and under player that was a “true” go to and closer guy.
I’m just asking and wondering.
We are not talking 5'9 Isaiah Thomas here. Garland is 6'1. That's the same height as Trae and only 1 inch shorter than Curry, Lillard, and Irving. You wouldn't be able to tell DG is shorter than Irving standing side by side in real life.
 
I think both Evan Mobley and Darius Garland *can* be the go-to guy on a championship team, but I'd absolutely love if neither guy *had* to be...

I've been saying it for 2yrs now that DG is Steve Nash 2.0 (maybe without the MVPs). Mark Price 4.0 works also. Where I think he thrives is when he's picking his spots offensively and using his gravity to find open teammates. I think his scoring offense should be the final cut that kills you, not the thousand cuts, or even one huge swipe, that kills you. I would love to see him as a 3rd/4th offensive option and 15-20ppg, with 8-11apg. Plus, there aren't many contenders in recent history with the (small) PG as the #1 scoring option.

Mobley is another guy I worry folks are overestimating on the scoring side of the ball. I don't think hes Giannis. I don't think hes Duncan. I don't even think he's AD. I think his game is gonna more closely resemble Jokers (with some KG in there). I think Evan is too cerebral, with too high of a basketball IQ to force offense and be the #1 scoring option. Him in the 20-25ppg range seems more ideal than the 25-30ppg slot. Evan is the kind of guy that carries your team system more than carrying your team by scoring. At least that's my read on him over the last couple years.

I also think this team needs a mercenary Swiss army knife kinda player. The kinda guy that can get you 30, but do it as catch-and-shoot from DG or Ev, by creating his own offense, or is able to get shots for other guys because of *his* gravity.
 
There is no way that the Knicks turn around and dump Reddish for less than they gave for him after only a few weeks. The front office wouldn't have made the move for Reddish in the first place if they felt wishy washy enough about him to just give up after a few games and ship him off for pennies on the dollar. If they did do that the GM deserves to be fired on the spot.

I would agree with this usually but if Thibs refuses to play him and they aren't willing to fire Thibs over it then I'm not sure what options they have. I'm also not saying they just sell him off for much less value than they gave up for him. I worded it as two trades because under league rules Reddish can't be combined with another player. I could see us using Rubio contract and some 2nd round picks to get Reddish and the Knicks get a vet that Thibs will actually play. We might have to take on a bad contract but it might better than giving up our 1st round pick.
 
Except for CP3…..All 6’2 and taller!
AI was like 6ft in shoes and might be the epitome of what you are talking about. If you want to go further back, you have guys like Isiah Thomas, Isaiah Thomas, Kevin Pagnos, and James Silas. There are a lot of guys who can make clutch shots. You need more than just that and I would love to get a big ballhandler on our team too, but Garland can already be our closer. Getting another never hurt.
 
AI was like 6ft in shoes and might be the epitome of what you are talking about. If you want to go further back, you have guys like Isiah Thomas, Isaiah Thomas, Kevin Pagnos, and James Silas. There are a lot of guys who can make clutch shots. You need more than just that and I would love to get a big ballhandler on our team too, but Garland can already be our closer. Getting another never hurt.
You know I’m old school but Garland (as much as I love him) is nothing like Zeke. Silas wasn’t anywhere the ball handler that Garland is (or as quick) but as his nickname stated (Captain Late) he was big on clutch shots. Even with Gervin on the Spurs when it came to big shots Silas always had his hands on the ball.
As for the “other” Thomas I think Garland is already better than him in all areas.
 
Except for CP3…..All 6’2 and taller!
Allen Iverson in heels might be 6'2". Two inches mean dick when it comes to a PG. Seriously, go take a ruler and measure out 2 inches. Look at it and tell me it makes a difference.

I've always said Garland can be a #1 scorer on nights, but using him to his potential is to be a #2 and facilitate for other. Mobley may he raw in a lot of aspects but he's a lot further along than we expected when we drafted him and looks to have all the building blocks to be great.
 
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Garland is allowed to be the clutch shooter... the best players with the ball always has it at the end of a game in a sense and for us Garland is just that.

Now, I think we are missing the 2 guard who we can trust to be beside him at crunch time. My point is, if a team only has one player to trust in that time, they won't win games because of the fact he will never have a chance to get the shot. If we can find a legit swingman who is trustworthy to the number 2, then we can make it pretty far. Do we have someone else in the crunch time that can make them pay of Garland is double teamed/kept away from the ball?
 
The Magic have been brought up as potential sellers a few times (shout-out to the pod). Taking a look at their roster, they have massive log jams of athletic guards with questionable shots (Fultz, Suggs, sorta Cole, RJ Hampton) and longer, rangy forwards with questionable shots (Isaac, Okeke, F Wagner but with a shot, Bradzeikis, Harris, Ross). Ross was discussed on the pod, so ill just tell people to listen to that for more on him. Otherwise two guys standout to me as possible targets: RJ Hampton and Okeke. Hampton was a good nab last year but he is going to get squeezed with the investment of a top 5 pick in Suggs and the emergence of Cole Anthony this year, plus the large contract of Fultz going to matter in a season. Okeke is getting time as Isaac is still out, but Isaac is clearly a better player. I would love to spring either of those guys. Both have potential, fill holes we need filled right now, are in the same age group as our core (Windler, Wade, Stevens, and even Nembard). Thoughts?
 
The fact that your 6 foot PG is your go to guy speaks volumes…..again we definitely need a big (6’5-6’6) wing/SG that can shoot and create off the dribble to be that guy (ie PG13, Butler, Leonard, Booker etc). I’m not trying to cap Mobley and Garland’s growth but there is a huge hole on this team and that type of player is needed. I’m not saying mortgage the future (maybe we find that player in the draft) but if we can that player via trade using a package of Sexton, players and second rounders (and/or protected high draft picks) then you do it!

There is no universe in which you can get the quality of player you described for as little as you are willing to pay.

That's the problem. Nobody disagrees that it would be wonderful to have the kind of wing you describe. But it simply isn't possible to bring one of those guys onto this team this season without trading a hell of a lot more than that.
 
There is no universe in which you can get the quality of player you described for as little as you are willing to pay.

That's the problem. Nobody disagrees that it would be wonderful to have the kind of wing you describe. But it simply isn't possible to bring one of those guys onto this team this season without trading a hell of a lot more than that.
And I did say I wouldn’t mortgage the future and that’s why I put that package up there. Could somebody like the Wizards decide to move from Beal (knowing they won’t get more) accept? Maybe….maybe not! But I also said we need a player LIKE those guys. I wasn’t saying we could get them. I also said that player may have to come through the draft. But all options must be explored. Not saying THIS year, either! But without that type of player we will not seriously contend for the EC.
 

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