Cavs defeat Warriors 4-3 in 2016 NBA Finals

[Pioneer10]

Where are you seeing this? Both NBA.com and ESPN have their DRtg in the playoffs at 100.9.

Basketballreference?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2016.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2015.html

I mean the question really comes down to our offensive rating? Is that real and not an aberration. If it's real, the Warriors defense even it was as good as last year's wouldn't be enough.

 

[Walter White]

Don't switch bigs on to Curry and Klay. It's just a bad move. It not only leaves the bigs open to the side-step three - like he did to Ibaka and Adams all series - but it also leaves the bigs on smalls downlow which not only is bad for our defense, but also is bad for rebounding.

Fight over the screens, and even step the big out a step or two if you need to on the pick and rolls, but recover to your man, and make that big handle the ball, or let Curry and Clay play circus performers all night.

I was about ready to mention this. I think I saw Curry is 16-23 from three when a big was switched onto him in the OKC series. It felt like Adams was doing well enough, but Curry figured it out the last 2 games. So they would be prepared on how to adjust after facing that for 7 straight games. And TT seems to always get scored on in that switch. We have to fight over it and make him drive. Kyrie has a huge responsibility to do this this series because fighting over screens has never been his strong suit to say the least.

Next, don't give them a lot of space to land. I'm not saying to put your foot under their landing spot. That is cheap and dirty and terrible. I'm saying they should be worried about it because of how close you are when they are landing. Turn your butt towards them so you don't have your toes out there for them to land on, but you should be right under them without foulling when Curry and Klay are shooting. All we need is for them to think about their landing for a milisecond, and they will miss the shot.

JR tries to do this but often gets called for fouls anyway.

Run Curry Run. I expect Curry will be defending JR. If that is the case, we need to run that man off of down screens until his legs fall off.

Exactly what I said to. JR has to make Steph a defensive liability and light him up.

Lastly, GET PHYSICAL I know I've already said it about Curry, but this whole team is a bunch of preening posturing punks who are bullies until someone hits them in the mouth.

Well said. If we are going to foul Curry, or anyone in the paint, put them down and don't let them get a shot off. No more of Curry getting these touch fouls where he hits the "circus shot". Earn the foul if we want to foul and when we run him off the three point line, make him tentative to also drive knowing we got someone waiting for him in the paint. Which could lead to him over thinking layups or missing easy shots, or being over passive.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Where are you seeing this? Both NBA.com and ESPN have their DRtg in the playoffs at 100.9.

BRef

And even if you want to use NBA or ESPN, their DRtg last year was in the mid 90s there...and its a little over 100 now...anything +/- 2 is a pretty big change, especially in the playoffs when games are closer.

 

[Rich]

Basketballreference?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2016.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2015.html

I mean the question really comes down to our offensive rating? Is that real and not an aberration. If it's real, the Warriors defense even it was as good as last year's wouldn't be enough.

So why are these numbers so wildly different? Both basketball reference and nba.com say they are measuring the number of points allowed per 100 possessions. What's going on here?

http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1

So, both sites have opponents points per game the same. It appears the issue is basketball reference has every team playing at a slower pace than does NBA.com/ESPN, thus making all ratings, both defensive and offensive, higher. Why would this be?

 

[FritzLn]

I already hate Draymond as much as possible for is countless cheap shots. I can only imagine that hatred will go up when he does it to a player I care about... There is no way he gets suspended this series right?

no chance. the NBA has already exposed their biases. he'd have to shank someone on the court

 

[Jscc]

I was about ready to mention this. I think I saw Curry is 16-23 from three when a big was switched onto him in the OKC series. It felt like Adams was doing well enough, but Curry figured it out the last 2 games.

This isn't new. Curry did it in the last finals too. He'd force Moz/TT to switch onto him on the perimeter. Curry threes/layups became guaranteed points. Nothing individually can be done. It's a team defense problem.

We didn't have the bodies and OKC didn't have the basketball IQ.

 

[BimboColesHair]

So why are these numbers so wildly different? Both basketball reference and nba.com say they are measuring the number of points allowed per 100 possessions. What's going on here?

http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1

So, both sites have opponents points per game the same. It appears the issue is basketball reference has every team playing at a slower pace than does NBA.com/ESPN, thus making all ratings, both defensive and offensive, higher. Why would this be?

Probably just a difference in how they calculate pace...unfortunately, unlike BRef, NBA.com doesn't show you formulas for their advanced stats...wish they did, but I can understand since they just joined the advanced stats craze with their SportsVu stuff a few years ago...

Reminds of Fangraphs and Baseball Reference and their difference in WAR for individual players...

 

[Obawan12]

So why are these numbers so wildly different? Both basketball reference and nba.com say they are measuring the number of points allowed per 100 possessions. What's going on here?

http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1

So, both sites have opponents points per game the same. It appears the issue is basketball reference has every team playing at a slower pace than does NBA.com/ESPN, thus making all ratings, both defensive and offensive, higher. Why would this be?

Don't quote me on this, but I believe it has to do with how O-rebounds are tracked... One formula considers it the same possession, while one considers it a new one.

 

[Rich]

Anyway, Warriors biggest problem on the defensive end this postseason is their inability to control the defensive boards. THey give up too many second chances.

 

[Change of Pace]

I'm not sure how well we match up against the Warriors.

 

[Obawan12]

Anyway, Warriors biggest problem on the defensive end this postseason is their inability to control the defensive boards. THey give up too many second chances.

Think it's worth noting that during the reg season, OKC, POR, and HOU were 1st, 3rd, and 6th in offensive rebound rate, respectively, per Zach Lowe (Cle was 9th).

 

[Gus Zing]

Anyway, Warriors biggest problem on the defensive end this postseason is their inability to control the defensive boards. THey give up too many second chances.

Adams turned those offensive boards into points..

Tristan must do the same.

Kevin must finish better around the rim as well.

 

[Mr. Orange]

I'm not sure how well we match up against the Warriors.

I'm not sure how well THEY match up against US!

What if I told you, you had to stop LeBron James, Kyrie Irving, JR Smith and Kevin Love from scoring....while accounting for Tristan Thompson on lobs and offensive rebounds.

That....that is terrifying. We are the juggernaut. They should be pissing their pants.

Cavs be like:

 

[shoes22]

I'm not sure how well they match up against us.

What if I told you, you had to stop LeBron James, Kyrie Irving, JR Smith and Kevin Love from scoring....while accounting for Tristan Thompson on lobs and offensive rebounds.

That....that is terrifying. We are the juggernaut. They should be pissing their pants.

Even our second-unit lineup of Delly-Shumpert-RJ-LeBron-Frye is a +/- leader and gives teams a lot of headaches on both ends.

I mean our team's version of the "death lineup" only has ONE starter. How crazy is that??

 

[jlegg21]

no chance. the NBA has already exposed their biases. he'd have to shank someone on the court

"That bitch owes me a game, and I've come to collect"