Cedi Osman Goodbye & Good Luck

[cavsfever]

I would not have guessed he was this high up

Barring injury he’ll probably end up fifth on this list by the end of this year, behind Kyrie. Just goes to show how few good starters with a solid three point shot the Cavs have had over the last couple of decades.

Garland and eventually Mitchell will pass him soon enough, but it’s striking that kind of sixth man who is basically a league average three point shooter could get that high

 

[buzzdog]

I'm fine with Caris coming off the bench. He's great against certain matchups, not so great against others.

 

[cabs]

Barring injury he’ll probably end up fifth on this list by the end of this year, behind Kyrie. Just goes to show how few good starters with a solid three point shot the Cavs have had over the last couple of decades.

Garland and eventually Mitchell will pass him soon enough, but it’s striking that kind of sixth man who is basically a league average three point shooter could get that high

It's not a Cavs thing its an NBA trend, in the last 8 years 3pt attempts have exploded.
- Duncan Robinson is 2nd all time for Miami and Herro is already top 10.
- Coby White is 7th for the Bulls all time, Lavine is 2nd already.
- Marcus Smart is top 5 for Boston
- Saddiq Bey is top 10 for Pistons, already passed Rip Hamilton

 

[Omar The Horse]

Cedi is 41 made 3’s away from surpassing JR Smith at #5 in Cavaliers All-Time history…

 

[ChicagoCavFan]

Layup magician. Shot chart gotta be all green within 3 feet of hoop. Not many guarantees in life. This is one of them. Very impressive stuff. A few times I've said to myself "no way he can make this, too fast, too out of control, etc." But I'll be damned, a little kiss off the glass, then rippin the nylon.

 

[Cavatt]

Layup magician. Shot chart gotta be all green within 3 feet of hoop. Not many guarantees in life. This is one of them. Very impressive stuff. A few times I've said to myself "no way he can make this, too fast, too out of control, etc." But I'll be damned, a little kiss off the glass, then rippin the nylon.

It's been a weakness. So good in transition and can't finish. Last year took a jump and another one this year. He's been great there

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Just checked cleaningtheglass.com and damned if Cedi isn't #1 on the Cavs in on/off. The Cavs are an astonishing +16.3 points better when he's on the court. That breaks down to 17 points better offensively and 0.7 points worse defensively. That offensive number is in the top 3% in the league for wings.

The next closest is Jarrett Allen at +8.5.

Cedi is making 71% of his shots at the rim, which puts him in the 61st percentile among forwards. A little better than average.

His numbers are not spectacular but I think his ability to hit 3's spreads out the defense and allows his teammates to operate in the paint. The numbers show the offense is 17 points better when Cedi is in the game, but he's not doing anything extremely well.

 

[kidduck]

Cedi would thrive in a more up tempo offense.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Cedi seems to be more aggressive in driving the lane in the half-court offense. In the past he tended to spot up at the 3-point line for a catch-and-shoot. He's still not exactly a great finisher at the rim but he's developing a floater and he's at least able to use his left hand to some degree. In previous years he was totally dependent on the right hand.

Since last year his percentage of shots taken at the rim is up 6% while his percentage of 3's is down 6%.

His percentage of shots made at the rim is 71% this year compared to 62% last year and 55% the year before that. He's getting better at finishing but some of those are uncontested leak-out buckets.

He's making 43% of his corner 3's, which is pretty good, and I think that is helping spread the defense which allows Mitchell, Garland, and LeVert to get into the paint and make things happen. Cedi's points per shot attempt number is just average for forwards, so the reason the team is so much better offensively with him on the court must be for another reason than his own shooting. The court is more open and balanced with Cedi than with Stevens or Okoro.

Cedi has also been making some nice passes. He ranks in the 64th percentile in assists per usage rate.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Here's an example of how Cedi's effectiveness in hitting corner 3's is opening up the floor. Two identical lineups, one with Cedi, one with Okoro.

Mitchell, LeVert, Osman, Mobley, Allen: +21.4 in 70 possessions

Mitchell, LeVert, Okoro, Mobley, Allen: -48.4 in 48 possessions

 

[Cavatt]

Cedi seems to be more aggressive in driving the lane in the half-court offense. In the past he tended to spot up at the 3-point line for a catch-and-shoot. He's still not exactly a great finisher at the rim but he's developing a floater and he's at least able to use his left hand to some degree. In previous years he was totally dependent on the right hand.

Since last year his percentage of shots taken at the rim is up 6% while his percentage of 3's is down 6%.

His percentage of shots made at the rim is 71% this year compared to 62% last year and 55% the year before that. He's getting better at finishing but some of those are uncontested leak-out buckets.

He's making 43% of his corner 3's, which is pretty good, and I think that is helping spread the defense which allows Mitchell, Garland, and LeVert to get into the paint and make things happen. Cedi's points per shot attempt number is just average for forwards, so the reason the team is so much better offensively with him on the court must be for another reason than his own shooting. The court is more open and balanced with Cedi than with Stevens or Okoro.

Cedi has also been making some nice passes. He ranks in the 64th percentile in assists per usage rate.

His finishing was a major weakness. He would automatically miss if someone was within 3 feet of him before. He is getting it up quicker, finishing with his left as you say, and most importantly he has been using the rim to protect his shot from being blocked. He NEVER did that before and it made me want to crush all the bones in my hand into the plaster.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Despite the amazing on/off number and the improvement in a couple of areas I still think he is maddenly inconsistent. Some games he just can't hit the ocean from the boat and also gets abused on defense.

I think he understands the game better. Against the Lakers he missed a 3-pointer from the side. His shot hit the back of the rim and Allen grabbed the long rebound at the foul line. Cedi alertly cut to the hoop, beating his defender, and Allen fed him for the uncontested layup. Nice play turning a lemon into lemonade.

 

[All4One1ForAll]

I still think even in games Cedi isn’t shooting well he’s doing more this year than he would in years’ past. I think he’s giving a better effort on defense, not taking as many momentum killing shots, and finishing better at the hoop.

Without Wade, he’s still clearly our best option on the wing. LeVert is just consistently bad nowadays and Okoro and Stevens give you basically nothing. I’d argue Stevens even less than Okoro since he’s a worse defender.

 

[CavsFaninNJ]

Barring injury he’ll probably end up fifth on this list by the end of this year, behind Kyrie. Just goes to show how few good starters with a solid three point shot the Cavs have had over the last couple of decades.

Garland and eventually Mitchell will pass him soon enough, but it’s striking that kind of sixth man who is basically a league average three point shooter could get that high

I donno man. I do agree that the Cavs have a lack of shooting - but with 3 point volume rising so much, and so consistently, over the past 40 years (but most acutely in the past 10), there is a huge recency bias with anything 3 point related.

This is 97-02, so ended exactly 2 decades ago, but Wesley Person only averaged 1.67 3s made per game as a Cav, in an average of 31.5 minutes per game. He shot 42.4% from 3. A shooter of his caliber - playing starters minutes - would get at least 3.0 makes today and I'm probably being conservative. Cedi averages 1.6 3-point makes as a Cav in only 24 minutes...as a 35% shooter.

That being said, Person was probably the last elite shooter the Cavs had in their prime before Kyrie haha. It's been journeyman shooters, no long-term starters. Agreed.

 

[CroopZ23]

I still think even in games Cedi isn’t shooting well he’s doing more this year than he would in years’ past. I think he’s giving a better effort on defense, not taking as many momentum killing shots, and finishing better at the hoop.

Without Wade, he’s still clearly our best option on the wing. LeVert is just consistently bad nowadays and Okoro and Stevens give you basically nothing. I’d argue Stevens even less than Okoro since he’s a worse defender.

Cedi is far superior to LeVert. Honestly, I can't stand watching LeVert play. He seems like a good character guy/ team oriented. Sure, he is a better passer and defender than I expected. However, he is a black hole on offense. The problem is every time his stock gets low he has this uncanny ability to drop 30-40 points and get our hopes up.I will take a player who gives me 10-14 ppg every night and plays within himself over LeVert.