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Cleveland Browns 2020 Regular Season Thread

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NorthCoastBias said:
He's not the OC, so I don't really care.
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Still has a big role in the passing game.

Although I don't see what the deal is, when the Fins passing offense really wasn't that bad under Fitzy; their team was mostly only bad because of abysmal running and defense, and the Josh Rosen Experiment.
 
Man Called X said:
Maybe some spoiled young kids should just shut up and study the damn playbook. Youngest rosters in the NFL and no one can learn complex schemes? That sounds like you drafted a bunch of athletic idiots.
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They should also get off his yard.
 
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6.19.2016 said:
Still has a big role in the passing game.

Although I don't see what the deal is, when the Fins passing offense really wasn't that bad under Fitzy; their team was mostly only bad because of abysmal running and defense, and the Josh Rosen Experiment.
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But it’s not his playbook, or terminology. So, regardless of role, he’s not doing much of anything to install his playbook.
 
I can see both sides. If the vast majority are just plain not getting it, but also putting in the work to learn it, then you have to dumb it down or change things up.

But if they are just not trying to learn it and want simple, "spyder Y Banana....oh that means I run straight", then wow.
 
Man Called X said:
Maybe some spoiled young kids should just shut up and study the damn playbook. Youngest rosters in the NFL and no one can learn complex schemes? That sounds like you drafted a bunch of athletic idiots.
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So either way it's the coach/front office fault. Either the coach can't adapt to the players or the front office drafted poorly. The players obviously knew playbooks between high school and college. At least good enough to not cause a red flag when drafting.

Point is you don't often hear "No one is understanding the playbook." If you as a coach heard that, would you just trudge on losing games and make no progress? Players generally want to succeed, especially younger players trying to make it in the NFL.
 
Man Called X said:
Maybe some spoiled young kids should just shut up and study the damn playbook. Youngest rosters in the NFL and no one can learn complex schemes? That sounds like you drafted a bunch of athletic idiots.
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Maybe they did draft a bunch of athletic idiots. But that just validates that the playbook needed to be dumbed-down for them.

Anyway, it may be less that it needs to be "dumbed down" than that it was a confusing system. And perhaps also that O'Shea wasn't a very good teacher. I suspect that if it was just young players unwilling to learn a reasonable system, then the HC would have backed his OC. The fact that he was fired suggests the HC thought there were merits to the complaints.

Hard to know either way from the outside, though.
 
6.19.2016 said:
Still has a big role in the passing game.
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Less than you'd think.

I'm not 100% for sure on this, but titles like "passing game coordinator" and "run game coordinator" to the best of my knowledge only mean that the position coach in question controls the subs and personnel groupings. Not the scheme design or play calls.
 
SixPACK said:
I can see both sides. If the vast majority are just plain not getting it, but also putting in the work to learn it, then you have to dumb it down or change things up.

But if they are just not trying to learn it and want simple, "spyder Y Banana....oh that means I run straight", then wow.
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Paging Maurice Carthon....
Paging Maurice Carthon.

Long distance phone call for you with a Florida area code...
 
From what I know, while the offense is complicated, Josh Rosen was woefully incompetent at reading a defense and making calls. Apparently it was way too much for him.

With going to a rookie QB at some point during the year, it makes sense that they want to simplify the offense.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Three Browns have been awarded the "One Year Wonder" all star team, another former Brown made it for a season he played well elsewhere:

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PFF’s One-Year Wonder Team: The NFL’s best single-season outlier performances since 2006 | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

From Peyton Hillis' magical 2010 season with the Cleveland Browns to the lesser-known Scott Mruczkowski's 2009 campaign, PFF looks at outlier performances at every position since 2006.
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I'm disappointed that Barnidge's carpentry skills weren't mentioned. Or how he mowed the field on his day off.
 
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