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Cleveland Browns 2022 off-season thread

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Baker Mayfield Is:

  • A Turd

    Votes: 7 9.2%
  • A Turd Ferguson

    Votes: 33 43.4%
  • Sammy Baugh

    Votes: 21 27.6%
  • Regal

    Votes: 15 19.7%

  • Total voters
    76
Everything you’ve said is true… but it doesn’t make those things that “normally don’t happen” ok either.

Where’s the line, ya know? It’s pretty clear had Hunt been in a one-on-one situation with the woman at the hotel that he WOULD have beat the shit out of her. He’s extremely fortunate that there were multiple people to hold him back because he clearly wanted to do more than he was able to do.

But she probably called him the N word, so she got what she deserved for being a mouthy possibly racist bitch, right?

Just not a good take.
Not sure we should say with absolute certainty what he would have done if not held back.

I’ve seen people get riled up and when they they break free, just go and yell at someone in their face, or push them.

It’s not fair to condemn him just because you THINK he would have slugged/beat her. Might not have happened.
 
Not sure we should say with absolute certainty what he would have done if not held back.

I’ve seen people get riled up and when they they break free, just go and yell at someone in their face, or push them.

It’s not fair to condemn him just because you THINK he would have slugged/beat her. Might not have happened.

Beyond the shadow of a doubt? You’re right. We can’t with 100% certainty say he would have beat her up. But this ain’t a courtroom either.

Let’s use a reasonable level of deduction here.

Hunt was angry enough with this woman to the point where he had to be held back by two men.

Then while being held back by the two men, he was so pissed off (and actively trying to get to this woman) that he shoved one of the men so hard that guy that it created a domino effect which knocked that man into another man which then knocked this woman to the ground.

Then while continuing to be held back and while having his arm actively pulled in the opposite direction, he walked over while the woman was on the ground and kicked her (not a viciously hard kick to the face, but still a kick).

If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he wouldn’t have assaulted this woman worse had it been a 1 on 1 situation, that’s your business.

But anyone with two eyes can see and deduct that wasn’t what was going to happen.
 
Beyond the shadow of a doubt? You’re right. We can’t with 100% certainty say he would have beat her up. But this ain’t a courtroom either.

Let’s use a reasonable level of deduction here.

Hunt was angry enough with this woman to the point where he had to be held back by two men.

Then while being held back by the two men, he was so pissed off (and actively trying to get to this woman) that he shoved one of the men so hard that guy that it created a domino effect which knocked that man into another man which then knocked this woman to the ground.

Then while continuing to be held back and while having his arm actively pulled in the opposite direction, he walked over while the woman was on the ground and kicked her (not a viciously hard kick to the face, but still a kick).

If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he wouldn’t have assaulted this woman worse had it been a 1 on 1 situation, that’s your business.

But anyone with two eyes can see and deduct that wasn’t what was going to happen.

You’re also assuming this lady says anything if she didn’t know that there were more people there.

If the situation was her one on one with Kareem Hunt from beginning to end, she says absolutely nothing and nothing happens.
 
You’re also assuming this lady says anything if she didn’t know that there were more people there.

If the situation was her one on one with Kareem Hunt from beginning to end, she says absolutely nothing and nothing happens.

Maybe, maybe not. Women get assaulted literally every day by men in one-on-one settings.

It’s just black and white to me. Men should never get violent towards women for any reason other than to avoid a life threatening situation (aka a woman has a deadly weapon and is trying to use it).

Hunt actively wanted to be and succeeded in being violent against a woman. It’s not acceptable.

He and the woman should have both been arrested for the incident. Her for slapping him. Him for shoving her and kicking her.
 
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Beyond the shadow of a doubt? You’re right. We can’t with 100% certainty say he would have beat her up. But this ain’t a courtroom either.

Let’s use a reasonable level of deduction here.

Hunt was angry enough with this woman to the point where he had to be held back by two men.

Then while being held back by the two men, he was so pissed off (and actively trying to get to this woman) that he shoved one of the men so hard that guy that it created a domino effect which knocked that man into another man which then knocked this woman to the ground.

Then while continuing to be held back and while having his arm actively pulled in the opposite direction, he walked over while the woman was on the ground and kicked her (not a viciously hard kick to the face, but still a kick).

If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he wouldn’t have assaulted this woman worse had it been a 1 on 1 situation, that’s your business.

But anyone with two eyes can see and deduct that wasn’t what was going to happen.
I disagree pretty strongly. But for the sake not being off topic for long, I'll leave it at this and move on:

As a black man I have had this exact experience. Whenever called this slur, the initial two emotions are: disbelief/shock, and then anger. While going through those feelings my OUTWARD appearance and reaction may look like I would knock someone's head off. If I'm being held back, it'll look exactly like what we saw.

But I'm not much of a violent person at all. So I don't like when people >see reaction>draw assumption. Once we start judging based on assumption, it becomes mob/pitchfork mentality. Not saying Hunt WOULDN'T have done it but each individual is different and I don't like to judge "likelihood" based on his initial reaction.
 
I hate that we're going through this Hunt situation again (not even that he did something again, but we're discussing hypotheticals now)...

That said, the hypothetical that he'd do something if they were in a 1 on 1 situation falls completely flat for me because of the situation. It happened outside of a hotel room that she was trying to enter because there was a party. It didn't happen at a club, or his house/apartment. She tried to enter a party she wasn't welcome at. Is she demanding to enter his apartment by herself if he's there alone? Highly doubtful. This isn't a sexual assault case we're sussing out here, it's a trespassing and verbal/physical assault situation.
 
Why are we going over the hunt situation again?

Because fans are pretending like Deshaun Watson’s whole situation is not gonna be yesterdays news as soon as he has a SC Top 10 highlight play.
 
Because fans are pretending like Deshaun Watson’s whole situation is not gonna be yesterdays news as soon as he has a SC Top 10 highlight play.

But why do we have to do that by talking about if it’s okay to beat women depending on what words they say?

Also, it seems like Houston is trying to bring in Flores to keep Watson anyways.
 
I hate that we're going through this Hunt situation again (not even that he did something again, but we're discussing hypotheticals now)...

That said, the hypothetical that he'd do something if they were in a 1 on 1 situation falls completely flat for me because of the situation. It happened outside of a hotel room that she was trying to enter because there was a party. It didn't happen at a club, or his house/apartment. She tried to enter a party she wasn't welcome at. Is she demanding to enter his apartment by herself if he's there alone? Highly doubtful. This isn't a sexual assault case we're sussing out here, it's a trespassing and verbal/physical assault situation.

The woman wasn’t *in* the hotel room when the incident happened. Hunt came out of the room that she wasn’t in at the time for a confrontation.

He could have simply called hotel security or the police and gotten her arrested/removed if he was so inclined, right? If she was beating on the door and screaming and acting a fool trying to get in to a place she wasn’t welcome, they had other options that didn’t involve a confrontation.

What if Hunt had stepped out of the room alone? Does anyone think this woman was going to stop acting drunk/belligerent/angry because he’s by himself? They’re still going to inevitably end up in each other’s faces because that’s what drunk people do.

And look there’s no audio, so we don’t know for sure what she was saying (and it’s likely she did say racial slurs), but it certainly looks like Hunt doesn't actually lose his mind in rage until she made an open hand slap at his face, which happened *after* he shoved her the first time.

The point is, outside of extreme circumstances like the woman having a deadly weapon, men absolutely can not act violent towards women.

Hunt did and it’s just indefensible. Now I do think Hunt “served his time” (lengthy suspension from work and significant loss of income) and shouldn’t continue to be punished for this incident.

But I just really don’t like people trying to lessen the magnitude of an unacceptable incident. It was completely inappropriate and we shouldn’t pretend like it wasn’t that bad because he’s a good football player who plays for the team we root for.

I’m also certainly not saying the woman is without blame. She physically assaulted Hunt too which is also unacceptable and should have been punished through the appropriate channels for her role in the incident

Tying this back to Deshaun Watson…

If he is proven to have done the things he’s being accused of doing, he deserves to be in prison and he shouldn’t even be a consideration for the Browns or any other NFL team.

If this incident fades away without charges or admission of guilt or anything like that, then the Browns should pursue him.
 
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soooo in any case.

On friday i was on a work telecom with a pats fan, a ravens fan, me and another browns fan

The pats fan was giving the ravens fan shit about not making the playoffs and asks "where did you guys even end up in the division?"
The ravens fan "i dont even know"
me "i believe that was DEAD LAST"

chaos ensued. it was great
 

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