Cleveland Development Thread

[-Akronite-]

I'm one of the project engineers assigned to this development. Right now it's gdesigned to be 389' in height. We did get a variance approval for the mechanical level to go as high as 398" (if needed). This building will be taller than the new Hilton and the 9. It's going to add some nice density to the skyline, that is for sure.

Ooh that's great! I'm a sucker for skyscrapers. Any insight on why you can't/won't hit 400 ft? Is it arbitrary, based on your designs, or based on city codes?

 

[Chrisrob27]

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Ooh that's great! I'm a sucker for skyscrapers. Any insight on why you can't/won't hit 400 ft? Is it arbitrary, based on your designs, or based on city codes?

It's based on market demand and building costs. When complete, it will be the tallest apartment building in Ohio.

 

[-Akronite-]

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For what? FOR WHATTTTT?!!!?!?!?!!?

 

[Binkster]

I'm often conflicted with some of the crap Scene puts out. I obviously consider myself liberal but some of their stances are just downright whiny and smug.

That said, this is a nice article (sourced, information-based, pointed) and something that has gotten me riled up for years:

https://www.clevescene.com/clevelan...-burke-lakefront-airport/Content?oid=16931820

Lies, Damn Lies and the 450 Acres of Prime Real Estate That is Burke Lakefront Airport
With fewer flights and fewer reasons than ever for keeping Burke open, why won’t Cleveland seriously study what it could be used for instead?
By Daniel McGraw

• Photos by Aerial Agents

When journalists do a story on a subject, it is best to go look at what those in the know tell you is important. So the day after talking to Cleveland city councilman Martin Keane, who serves as vice chair on the city's transportation committee, I found myself wandering around Voinovich Park at the end of East Ninth Street.

The question for Keane the night before was why the city of Cleveland keeps Burke Lakefront Airport open even as the number of flights it services has dropped off a cliff, declining more than 60 percent since 2000. It's a question many others are asking too. Why does the city need an airport on prime downtown, lakefront property when it's not used by many planes?

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I've said for years what a waste of space and resources Burke is. The potential for downtown real estate that sits on the water is off the charts. A damn shame politicians are still dragging their feet.

 

[-Akronite-]

I'm often conflicted with some of the crap Scene puts out. I obviously consider myself liberal but some of their stances are just downright whiny and smug.

That said, this is a nice article (sourced, information-based, pointed) and something that has gotten me riled up for years:

https://www.clevescene.com/clevelan...-burke-lakefront-airport/Content?oid=16931820


I've said for years what a waste of space and resources Burke is. The potential for downtown real estate that sits on the water is off the charts. A damn shame politicians are still dragging their feet.

Personally, I'd love for at least a portion of that land to be re-appropriated as a park, akin to Millennium Park in Chicago. Seems like a prime spot not only for commercial business but another area for Clevelanders to enjoy generally. Especially since I'm skeptical of how many high-end commercial businesses in a newly developed area will stay afloat and keeping the area vibrant versus a well groomed park that can look nice even when empty.

Given the decline in population it only makes sense to make better use of these resources and not continue to stretch things thin and looking useless.

 

[Binkster]

Personally, I'd love for at least a portion of that land to be re-appropriated as a park, akin to Millennium Park in Chicago. Seems like a prime spot not only for commercial business but another area for Clevelanders to enjoy generally. Especially since I'm skeptical of how many high-end commercial businesses in a newly developed area will stay afloat and keeping the area vibrant versus a well groomed park that can look nice even when empty.

Given the decline in population it only makes sense to make better use of these resources and not continue to stretch things thin and looking useless.

They need to do something and I really do like this idea. Chicago has also developed additional waterfront parks in recent years that literally sit on the water (a la Burke).

Example - Northerly Island. Very similar to Burke's location and geographic shape but on a much smaller scale. Chicago has continued to develop it into a residential park with animal habitat features.

While Cleveland's population has declined for decades, there is no use for the airport. However, we're in a sweet spot where downtown population is rising and that land is prime for something that can be utilized to keep the momentum.

 

[Chrisrob27]

Meh...more Cleveland Scene SIM City fantasy. We're nearly 20 years from the Flats getting mowed down and we still haven't made it to Phase 3 of the East Bank development.

If the city or some developer managed to make it through the FAA red tape to close Burke, it would take decades for any large-scale development to take hold. My fear is that it would end up like Buffalo's waterfront, with blah suburban-looking townhomes basically sitting there on an island by themselves (see: https://www.google.com/maps/place/W...ccdfbfbfa5f64a!8m2!3d42.8867485!4d-78.8885072).

 

[Chrisrob27]

So much underutilized land and lackluster rents in the city and someone wants to add more? From a real estate angle, it just doesn't make sense to develop Burke until every surface lot in the CBD is built upon. Just my 2c

 

[Chrisrob27]

Checkout this forum...It's the best source for NEO development news you will find. Enjoy!

https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php/board,26.0.html

 

[Chrisrob27]

Ground broken for The Lumen at Playhouse Square, billed as largest downtown residential project in 40 years

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Groundbreaking was held Thursday for The Lumen at Playhouse Square, a 34-story, 318-unit apartment building.

This Playhouse Square rising star is expected to make its grand entrance in the summer of 2020, according to officials for the nation's second largest performing arts center after Broadway. The 602,000-square-foot apartment building, which will stand 396 feet, is the focal point of the what Playhouse Square officials say is the largest residential project in downtown Cleveland in 40 years.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/i...rget2box_default_#incart_target2box_targeted_

 

[bigfoot5415]

I love the revitalization downtown has been experiencing, but you need more jobs downtown, more grocery stores, etc. Otherwise people can live downtown only to leave every time they go to work or shop.

 

[Chrisrob27]

Employment numbers downtown are definitely heading in the right direction.

http://www.crainscleveland.com/arti...ating-success-downtown-clevelands-development

 

[bigfoot5415]

Employment numbers downtown are definitely heading in the right direction.

http://www.crainscleveland.com/arti...ating-success-downtown-clevelands-development

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Binkster]

So much underutilized land and lackluster rents in the city and someone wants to add more? From a real estate angle, it just doesn't make sense to develop Burke until every surface lot in the CBD is built upon. Just my 2c

This, I do agree with. But the value (and potential) of waterfront land is unmatched and undefeated - when utilized correctly. I do agree we shouldn't bite off more than we can chew right now.

However, let's assume for the sake of assuming that downtown momentum continues on an upward trajectory for the next 10 years. NuCLEus comes to fruition, the Playhouse Square high-rise goes off without a hitch.

We're going to be standing there wishing we had kick started our Burke research a long time ago.

 

[macbdog]

Ohio City could score tallest timber frame building in U.S. in 2021
By Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer | Posted February 24, 2019 at 05:05 AM | Updated February 24, 2019 at 10:06 AM




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The officer tower proposed for the Market Square development. Harbor Bay Real Estate Advisors LLC, HPA Architects

CLEVELAND, Ohio – The record may not last long, but Cleveland will have special bragging rights as long as it does.

Come 2021, it appears the city will be home to the tallest timber-frame building in the U.S. - the 10-story office tower planned for the $175 million Market Square project in Ohio City.

Chicago-based Harbor Bay Real Estate Advisors LLC intends to build the tower and an adjacent 7-story, 267-unit apartment building – also timber-framed – just south of the West Side Market along West 25th Street.

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