Cleveland Development Thread

[BMAN]

I keep track of skyscraper development.

Seeing the struggles of Midwestern cities to build even one new 50-story building contrasts with places like Seattle where they have a few being completed soon and another 15 50-40 story towers to be completed by 2022.

Cleveland needs to get some of that Amazon lovin' and take more of that new economy stuff from the West Coast.

How do you keep track of stuff like that? I’ve always been interested in skyscraper/city development, but never found a good place to read about.

 

[Lee]

I was born in Glendale and grew up all around the valley (outside Litchfield, Peoria, Glendale) and I really don't recognize Phoenix anymore . I wanted to move back when I was in my 20s but not anymore, if Phoenix turns into a Reno ill be pretty bummed. Hate to go all eco-fascist but the desert wasnt designed to handle this kind of population or this type of infrastructure; saddens me to see the Salt River Project effectively being used to turn the surface of the sun into this. I spent my early childhood in the boonies with our animals, a couple acres of dirt, 4 grapefruit trees, sonic booms and miles of desert tho so my AZ youth was a little different than the Bill n Ted area of my later childhood.

BTW Is this the same Casa Grande?

Yes, same Casa Grande. I love Phoenix personally, but I get you hate its no longer rural too much. But Casa Grande has grown to an area of about 100k or so, so not exactly tiny anymore, but supposed to be a really cool project

 

[Sebastian]

How do you keep track of stuff like that? I’ve always been interested in skyscraper/city development, but never found a good place to read about.

I just use:

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=879

They have Forums for every major city.

 

[Sebastian]

@BMAN

I hope you like that site. An example of some the development goodies one can find, is this picture of the projects in Seattle with all approved and in-construction building projects taking place over the next five years. The vast majority of those are 450 and 550+ foot towers going up with a few 650 footers sprinkled in along with a 879-foot boot downtown and the crown jewel 1111 foot mega-tall next to the stadium and iconic 974' Columbia Center.

I don't think any of the buildings in Seattle are as good looking as the Key Tower.

The growth is crazy (conservatively 25 new skyscrapers (400'+) over ten years) and I would love to see Cleveland look this someday, skyscrapers springing up like mushrooms after the rain, if they can lure more tech firms there.

Cleveland seems eminently well located, has a low cost of living and lower operating expenses, has multiple universities and a large world-class health care firm there.

How successful has Cleveland been in attracting tech firms? Why wasn’t it a top contender for Amazon HQ2?

Cleveland seems an ideal location for a whole host of biotech companies.

 

[BMAN]

@BMAN

I hope you like that site. An example of some the development goodies one can find, is this picture of the projects in Seattle with all approved and in-construction building projects taking place over the next five years. The vast majority of those are 450 and 550+ foot towers going up with a few 650 footers sprinkled in along with a 879-foot boot downtown and the crown jewel 1111 foot mega-tall next to the stadium and iconic 974' Columbia Center.

I don't think any of the buildings in Seattle are as good looking as the Key Tower.

The growth is crazy (conservatively 25 new skyscrapers (400'+) over ten years) and I would love to see Cleveland look this someday, skyscrapers springing up like mushrooms after the rain, if they can lure more tech firms there.

Cleveland seems eminently well located, has a low cost of living and lower operating expenses, has multiple universities and a large world-class health care firm there.

How successful has Cleveland been in attracting tech firms? Why wasn’t it a top contender for Amazon HQ2?

Cleveland seems an ideal location for a whole host of biotech companies.

I haven’t been able to really explore it yet. But that looks awesome. Really hoping Cleveland can start building up.

I need to visit Seattle though. My girlfriend has been there and wants to go back. Not anything as good as Key tower though huh?

 

[Phills14]

@BMAN

I hope you like that site. An example of some the development goodies one can find, is this picture of the projects in Seattle with all approved and in-construction building projects taking place over the next five years. The vast majority of those are 450 and 550+ foot towers going up with a few 650 footers sprinkled in along with a 879-foot boot downtown and the crown jewel 1111 foot mega-tall next to the stadium and iconic 974' Columbia Center.

I don't think any of the buildings in Seattle are as good looking as the Key Tower.

The growth is crazy (conservatively 25 new skyscrapers (400'+) over ten years) and I would love to see Cleveland look this someday, skyscrapers springing up like mushrooms after the rain, if they can lure more tech firms there.

Cleveland seems eminently well located, has a low cost of living and lower operating expenses, has multiple universities and a large world-class health care firm there.

How successful has Cleveland been in attracting tech firms? Why wasn’t it a top contender for Amazon HQ2?

Cleveland seems an ideal location for a whole host of biotech companies.

https://www.crainscleveland.com/editorials/crains-editorial-question-scale
March 17, 2019 04:00 AM
Crain's editorial: A question of scale

If there was any doubt that Cleveland went all in to try to attract an Amazon headquarters, that was dispelled when, due to a lawsuit filed by WEWS reporter Sarah Buduson, the city was forced to release the full details of its bid.

And what a bid it was, with a total of $3.5 billion in incentives, including $1.55 billion from the state and JobsOhio, $803 million from the city of Cleveland and $646 million from Cuyahoga County. Other goodies included a power “microgrid,” creation of an “Amazon University” and access to key real estate downtown. Whatever your view of government incentives — we’re skeptical, but open to persuasion in the right circumstances and at the right scale — this was a massive offer for a company that ran something of a con on a lot of cities, since New York (now abandoned) and Washington, D.C., were its preferred targets all along. The bid didn’t work, as Cleveland wasn’t even on the 20-city shortlist.

A generous way to look at this is that the bid displayed an unusual amount of cooperation and focus among public- and private-sector players, and that it represented an aggressive play for a once-in-a-generation project. Cleveland was deficient in a lot of areas — workforce, housing, transit, etc. — of importance to Amazon, and pledging huge financial incentives would be the only way to stay in the game.

But c’mon. The incentives offered were wildly over the top for a city and region that struggles to maintain basic services. If the collaborative process displayed here is part of the template for future pitches for big projects, great. But this financial package cannot set the bar for our approach to economic development. If we require this much of a giveaway to attract a company, it’s a sign we’re lacking in the basics of what makes a region appealing as a headquarters location.

One other thing: Good for Buduson for being dogged in forcing disclosure of the bid. And shame on the entities that fought so hard to keep taxpayers in the dark about how they wanted to deploy public resources. The town’s lack of transparency is maddening.

 

[BMAN]

Two sources: Sherwin-Williams chooses its HQ+R&D site

neo-trans.blogspot.com

Looks like those parking lots are going bye bye thank god. Seems like Sherwin Williams isn’t interested in having the tallest skyscrapers in the city though. The tallest building will probably be 40 stories on Public square which isn’t bad.

 

[BMAN]

900-1800 office jobs coming to Superior Arts District downtown

neo-trans.blogspot.com

Looking like Cleveland State will be getting some neighbors. I visited Red Space not too long ago and that area was a little sketchy/bare. Glad to see some companies setting their headquarters in the city.

 

[Phills14]

Two sources: Sherwin-Williams chooses its HQ+R&D site

neo-trans.blogspot.com

Looks like those parking lots are going bye bye thank god. Seems like Sherwin Williams isn’t interested in having the tallest skyscrapers in the city though. The tallest building will probably be 40 stories on Public square which isn’t bad.

That's really good news.

 

[bigfoot5415]

Two sources: Sherwin-Williams chooses its HQ+R&D site

neo-trans.blogspot.com

Looks like those parking lots are going bye bye thank god. Seems like Sherwin Williams isn’t interested in having the tallest skyscrapers in the city though. The tallest building will probably be 40 stories on Public square which isn’t bad.

They've owned those lot for years from what I have been told. When I worked there in early 2010's one of the rumors around was that they would eventually build on those lots. Good to see new buildings being added. Will be a nice face lift to our city center.

 

[BMAN]

They've owned those lot for years from what I have been told. When I worked there in early 2010's one of the rumors around was that they would eventually build on those lots. Good to see new buildings being added. Will be a nice face lift to our city center.

I guess they were ready to build a new HQ back in 2015, but instead acquired a competitor first.

 

[Deezus]

Sherwin Williams is a customer of mine... I'm hearing that they are looking to move HQ out of the building next to the Cavs (the super old one that had the Lebron banner) and to build something near the rock hall/Jones Day building along the lake. I hope it happens!

EDIT: Wow... wrote this without reading the most recent posts. My bad @BMAN

 

[BMAN]

Sherwin Williams is a customer of mine... I'm hearing that they are looking to move HQ out of the building next to the Cavs (the super old one that had the Lebron banner) and to build something near the rock hall/Jones Day building along the lake. I hope it happens!

EDIT: Wow... wrote this without reading the most recent posts. My bad @BMAN

Where’s that useful rating at?

 

[bigfoot5415]

I guess they were ready to build a new HQ back in 2015, but instead acquired a competitor first.

Makes sense Valspar was an enormous acquisition for them. From what I understand they were trying to still sort through things as of last year.

 

[bigfoot5415]

@BMAN

Why wasn’t it a top contender for Amazon HQ2?

I have long stood by that the search for HQ2 was simply a marketing tool. They were always going to Virginia. Theyll need to be in the governments back pockets to make sure they arent ever broken up.