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Cleveland Guardians Offseason Discussion 2021-22

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I love the article about culture.

A few of us have been citing culture as a strength of this organization, but more so on the players side. This explains in depth the FO side.

What the article doesn't mention, because it was not the intent, is that the players have to buy into it, too.

When the org looks to acquiring players, part of the analysis before doing in so is whether the player (person) is adaptable to new ideas and ways of looking at them. We fans only see the stats, the clips, or the on field performances...but don't get to see the person. And, so we ask, "Why didn't we get this guy...why did we trade that guy...why isn't Johnny Perez getting more of a chance....?"

The answer may often be the intangibles that can't be quantified.

When we had a severe and immediate need for a RH bat in left field...and had several good looking young bats that were blocked at their positions, but would not...or could not...adapt to the easiest position to play, it raised questions in my mind about their fit on this team. I was not surprised when Mejia and Yandy were traded.

The surprise to me was that Jake Bauers was such a jerk, based upon reports in Tampa about him. Obviously, he never adapted to the Cleveland way of doing things. Maybe he didn't (doesnt) have the ability, but it was plain that he didn't really try.

In a different way, Puig was never going to fit. He was always a short term acquisition. Under no circumstances was he gonna be on this team past the end of the year.

The org is fortunate to have two 'old school' guys in Tito and Willis, who have been willing...maybe eager...to adapt, even though both were wildly successful before.

Cleveland certainly isn't the only franchise that is successful at developing young pitchers, but it may be the best. A young pitching prospect, or a failed one that arrives here, should be thrilled, because if they have the ability and stay healthy, and if they have the open mindedness and work ethic, they will get every tool necessary to be successful.

On the position side, we are gonna see it soon. For at least five years, the org has been drafting and acquiring a certain profile of batter...and developing them in a way that fits that profile. So far, they have advanced thru the levels and generally improved along the way. They will arrive soon. If the development of those position players comes close to mirroring the pitchers, its gonna be fun around here for quite a while.
 
CATS44 said:
I love the article about culture.

A few of us have been citing culture as a strength of this organization, but more so on the players side. This explains in depth the FO side.

What the article doesn't mention, because it was not the intent, is that the players have to buy into it, too.

When the org looks to acquiring players, part of the analysis before doing in so is whether the player (person) is adaptable to new ideas and ways of looking at them. We fans only see the stats, the clips, or the on field performances...but don't get to see the person. And, so we ask, "Why didn't we get this guy...why did we trade that guy...why isn't Johnny Perez getting more of a chance....?"

The answer may often be the intangibles that can't be quantified.

When we had a severe and immediate need for a RH bat in left field...and had several good looking young bats that were blocked at their positions, but would not...or could not...adapt to the easiest position to play, it raised questions in my mind about their fit on this team. I was not surprised when Mejia and Yandy were traded.

The surprise to me was that Jake Bauers was such a jerk, based upon reports in Tampa about him. Obviously, he never adapted to the Cleveland way of doing things. Maybe he didn't (doesnt) have the ability, but it was plain that he didn't really try.

In a different way, Puig was never going to fit. He was always a short term acquisition. Under no circumstances was he gonna be on this team past the end of the year.

The org is fortunate to have two 'old school' guys in Tito and Willis, who have been willing...maybe eager...to adapt, even though both were wildly successful before.

Cleveland certainly isn't the only franchise that is successful at developing young pitchers, but it may be the best. A young pitching prospect, or a failed one that arrives here, should be thrilled, because if they have the ability and stay healthy, and if they have the open mindedness and work ethic, they will get every tool necessary to be successful.

On the position side, we are gonna see it soon. For at least five years, the org has been drafting and acquiring a certain profile of batter...and developing them in a way that fits that profile. So far, they have advanced thru the levels and generally improved along the way. They will arrive soon. If the development of those position players comes close to mirroring the pitchers, its gonna be fun around here for quite a while.
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This is why I think someone like Andrew McCutchen makes a ton of sense to sign here after the lockout ends considering how revered he is in every clubhouse he's been in over the years, as opposed to a similar player on the market, Tommy Pham, that has butted heads with his teammates and coaches in the past.
 
Kevalier said:
This is why I think someone like Andrew McCutchen makes a ton of sense to sign here after the lockout ends considering how revered he is in every clubhouse he's been in over the years, as opposed to a similar player on the market, Tommy Pham, that has butted heads with his teammates and coaches in the past.
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Maybe Pham just hasn't been in the right culture before?
 
macbdog said:
Maybe Pham just hasn't been in the right culture before?
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Perhaps, but he's also been with two of the most celebrated organizations in the league in St. Louis and Tampa Bay.
 
Kevalier said:
This is why I think someone like Andrew McCutchen makes a ton of sense to sign here after the lockout ends considering how revered he is in every clubhouse he's been in over the years, as opposed to a similar player on the market, Tommy Pham, that has butted heads with his teammates and coaches in the past.
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Cutch has always been one of my favorite non-Cleveland players. I'd love him on a reasonable one year deal as a bridge to younger players like Valera.
 
Steve_424 said:
Cutch has always been one of my favorite non-Cleveland players. I'd love him on a reasonable one year deal as a bridge to younger players like Valera.
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We also have a young roster so I wouldn't mind getting a couple veterans like we did with Napoli in 16 to help out thr roster...
 
“We are confident that this agreement will create a more compelling fan experience”
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Yeah that’s great, Paul. What makes the fan experience even more compelling than that is actually obtaining some talented ball players to watch…

Compelling fan experience… Clown!
 
PIP said:
Yeah that’s great, Paul. What makes the fan experience even more compelling than that is actually obtaining some talented ball players to watch…

Compelling fan experience… Clown!
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Damn, what happened to the Correa safari?
 
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