Cleveland Guardians Offseason Discussion 2021-22

[xmasbuck]

Do you know anything about him?

he used to write about the Indians for mlb.com

 

[CDAV45]

he used to write about the Indians for mlb.com

You're silly

 

[sportscoach]

You're silly

I am trying to think of the former writers name... It was pretty dang close to Anthony Castro if it wasn't lol

 

[N7RobBob]

I am trying to think of the former writers name... It was pretty dang close to Anthony Castro if it wasn't lol

castrovince

 

[prf100]

Anthony Castro has a great baseball name. He should be good. Like the opposite of Sam Darnold’s face.

 

[Urban]

Emmanuel Clase Extension
2022: $1.9m
2023: $1.9m
2024: $2.9m
2025: $4.9m
2026: $6.4m
2027: $10m. Club Option w/ $2m buyout
2028: $10m. Club Option w/ $1m buyout

• 2027 club option includes a $2M buyout
• 2028 club option includes a $1M buyout
• Cy Young Bonus
  1st: $250,000
  2nd-3rd: $150,000
  4th-5th: $75,000
• Rivera/Hoffaman Award: $100,000
• All-Star: $100,000
• World Series MVP: $100,000
• LCS MVP: $50,000
• Option Escalators
  $500,000 for 200 IP or 200 appearances across 2022-2026
  $1M for 250 IP or 200 appearances
  $2M for 300 IP or 300 appearances
• Trade Assignment Bonus: $1M

 

[Urban]

Bryan Shaw Contract
2022: $3m
2023: $4m. Club Option. No Buyout

• Appearance Incentives
  $150,000 for 35, 40, 45, 50, 55
  $250,000 for 60, 65, 70

FWIW: Shaw had 80 appearances last season. Would have hit all the above incentives and earned another $1.5m

 

[NEOLeo]

I am trying to think of the former writers name... It was pretty dang close to Anthony Castro if it wasn't lol

He covers all of MLB now but he’s still a Cleveland fan.

 

[BimboColesHair]

At least give us a few gotdamn pennant winning moves because right now Detroit is looking better.

22 teams are $90mil and above, Detroit is almost at $120, Minnesota is at $111, Cleveland looks to be bottom 5 at around $50.

I'll settle for a Hosey extension and Arias starting at 2nd come opening day.

This pitching staff is top 7 and we are essentially wasting it, at least in my view, and that sucks.

But nonetheless, I'm excited to hear the crack of the bat again.

And yet every year we hear this about “one of the best front offices in baseball”.

 

[Real Deal]

And yet every year we hear this about “one of the best front offices in baseball”.

It is what it is, it's always been about the lack of spending for their own and acquiring pricey players from the outside. As you see, your gravedigging post is about rolling on the cheap side. FO is fine, being strapped on cash restraints isn't fine.

 

[Real Deal]

What's been Cleveland's biggest issue on why the Guardians are the "red headed step child"? Ownership.

 

[BimboColesHair]

It is what it is, it's always been about the lack of spending for their own and acquiring pricey players from the outside. As you see, your gravedigging post is about rolling on the cheap side. FO is fine, being strapped on cash restraints isn't fine.

You know I’m just messing with you man.

Board wouldn’t be as fun if people didn’t lean your way. I’d post a lot less.

But you’d think after like 8 straight years of seeing spending a ton of money or making a ton of moves in the off season ≠ a better team we wouldn’t have these same conversations every year haha.

 

[BimboColesHair]

What's been Cleveland's biggest issue on why the Guardians are the "red headed step child"? Ownership.

I look forward to Cleveland's excuse for not supporting it's most well-run organization being transferred over to the next ownership group.

 

[Real Deal]

You know I’m just messing with you man.

Board wouldn’t be as fun if people didn’t lean your way. I’d post a lot less.

But you’d think after like 8 straight years of seeing spending a ton of money or making a ton of moves in the off season ≠ a better team we wouldn’t have these same conversations every year haha.

I know, discussion from all angles makes us come back. It's a message board, therefore in the moment asinine shit can be said.

They did roll the dice on the youth and it's paying dividends. The season almost felt like we were starting with Ben Gamel and Jake Bauers again. Some thought we were wasting a year of Hosey and the elite pitching staff.

The MVP of the year though is health.

Twins are 57-53 and lost a huge chunk to the IL, Whitesox are 56-56 and are the most injury riddled team in all of baseball.

Guards are 59-52 and never really had the injury bug. (Knock on wood).

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

What's been Cleveland's biggest issue on why the Guardians are the "red headed step child"? Ownership.

Fan support. You use ownership as an excuse because you don't want to admit the real problem.

Cleveland showed its true colors in 2017.

We were coming off the 2016 World Series, had two MVP-caliber position players in Jose and Lindor. We made a big-spending, flashy free agent signing in Edwin Encarnacion. We had one of the greatest pitching staffs in the history of baseball, the best record in the American League, and we went on the longest win streak in the history of baseball, in the middle of summer with beautiful weather... and we still weren't selling out every game.

You had the absolute perfect storm and fans didn't show up.

It's clear that nothing the team does will change that--but some people continue to point at anything they don't like and say "See! That's why I'm not going!"

The truth is, no matter what the team does, you were never going to begin with.