Cleveland Indians 2018-2019 Offseason Outlook

[chuck0609]

If it wasnt so cold outside I would happily give you $25 for one of those

They need a goddam dome over the stadium. Like now.
Why this city allows the weather to affect it revenue and its sports teams is ridiculous.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

And they’re even more gun shy after their last 3 marquee signings too (Swisher, Bourn, Edwin).

So I’m way behind on this thread and catching up, but I don’t see how the Edwin signing is viewed as a failure. It’s obviously no where near the unmitigated disaster that was Nick Swisher (though even at the time I thought that was a terrible signing), but I wouldn’t classify it was a failure at all.

He came in and hit 70 homerun sand 214 RBIs in 2 years. He had an .848 OPS. Yeah he had a drop off from year 1 to 2, but even then we flipped him for Santana. Swisher and Bourne were such bad contracts they would have needed prospects attached just to dump them.
No way were they getting a walk connoisseur like Santana back in the deal

If the Indians internally view the Edwin signing as a tale of caution then I would just ask what the fuck were they expecting when they signed him?

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

So I’m way behind on this thread and catching up, but I don’t see how the Edwin signing is viewed as a failure. It’s obviously no where near the unmitigated disaster that was Nick Swisher (though even at the time I thought that was a terrible signing), but I wouldn’t classify it was a failure at all.

He came in and hit 70 homerun sand 214 RBIs in 2 years. He had an .848 OPS. Yeah he had a drop off from year 1 to 2, but even then we flipped him for Santana. Swisher and Bourne were such bad contracts they would have needed prospects attached just to dump them.
No way were they getting a walk connoisseur like Santana back in the deal

If the Indians internally view the Edwin signing as a tale of caution then I would just ask what the fuck were they expecting when they signed him?

For a team like the Indians to pump 20 million a year into someone, we expect that player to be almost an MVP candidate. Edwin was not that. I know those are lofty expectations, but that's just the reality of our financial situation.

 

[Derek]

Pitchers now know to not throw him fastballs. He has his power from his great bat speed. But he's not great at hitting changeups and breaking balls. Also teams will pitch him outside because he's not great at going opposite field. The last 2 and a half months of last season he was not very good. That's not a slump that's a trend. He has been exposed.

This is blatantly false

 

[BimboColesHair]

So I’m way behind on this thread and catching up, but I don’t see how the Edwin signing is viewed as a failure. It’s obviously no where near the unmitigated disaster that was Nick Swisher (though even at the time I thought that was a terrible signing), but I wouldn’t classify it was a failure at all.

He came in and hit 70 homerun sand 214 RBIs in 2 years. He had an .848 OPS. Yeah he had a drop off from year 1 to 2, but even then we flipped him for Santana. Swisher and Bourne were such bad contracts they would have needed prospects attached just to dump them.
No way were they getting a walk connoisseur like Santana back in the deal

If the Indians internally view the Edwin signing as a tale of caution then I would just ask what the fuck were they expecting when they signed him?

I’m not saying they view it as a failure there. If anything, Edwin was worth it, and I think they tapped out his last few years where he was actually worth 20 million.

Bigger point being made there, if I am remembering correctly, is the Indians are and always will value paying their homegrown talent over paying high priced external free agents. All 3 of those moves have cost them varying mid term cap issues. They had to eat a couple years of dead money to get rid of Bourn and Swisher, and they had to extend out their financial obligations to trim Edwin’s contract by taking on Santana’s deal.

Those aren’t sustainable moves for a small market franchise, hence them being gunshy about ponying up big $ for external free agents.

 

[Urban]

Edwin was still good last year, he just wasn't $20 million good. He was close to the player promised in 2017; sucks to think what could have been if he doesn't twist his ankle in Game 2 to the ALDS

 

[BimboColesHair]

Edwin was still good last year, he just wasn't $20 million good. He was close to the player promised in 2017; sucks to think what could have been if he doesn't twist his ankle in Game 2 to the ALDS

Oh yeah. Couldn’t agree more. A stabilizing factor in the middle of the lineup while Frankie and Jose were still coming into their own as hitters was well worth 20 million dollars a year.

Not an issue if we signed him to a 2/40 deal. But that’s the issue the Indians face. They can’t land someone producing like Edwin was prior to coming here for 2 years. They have to extend outside their comfort zone just to land the player. But when the inevitable dip comes, it can cost a lot to get out from under the deal.

 

[kidduck]

Edwin, like the rest of the Tribe, proved he couldn't hit in the post-season.

 

[bushwick_bill]

It is April 2nd, the Indians play in a AAAA Division, if anyone thinks the FO won't make any moves to improve this team in July or earlier you are nuts...

 

[Urban]

10 at bats in October = bum

Nevermind his 2015 or 2016. Even if 2017 he was on base 2 of his 5 PAs before twisting his ankle. Didn't expect him to have much of a chance in Game 5 only 5 days after the sprain

 

[Cavs Need To Win]

This is blatantly false

I'll be proven right about Jose at the end of the year. I don't want him to fail, but he will not put up great numbers this season, the best part of his career is over. Let's check back in a few months to see his final stats.

 

[Derek]

I'll be proven right about Jose at the end of the year. I don't want him to fail, but he will not put up great numbers this season, the best part of his career is over. Let's check back in a few months to see his final stats.

You’re welcome to your opinion, maybe he has already played his best ball, but you made blatantly false statements. His numbers against off-speed stuff are still above average.

Yes, he crushes fastballs with the best of them, but he’s one of the best contact hitters in the league, and you don’t become that by not being able to hit off-speed stuff.

 

[AZ_]

You’re welcome to your opinion, maybe he has already played his best ball, but you made blatantly false statements. His numbers against off-speed stuff are still above average.

Yes, he crushes fastballs with the best of them, but he’s one of the best contact hitters in the league, and you don’t become that by not being able to hit off-speed stuff.

Why dabble in facts or statistics when scorching takes are available.

 

[Chris]

I really hope Jose’s best ball isnt behind him. Broke my one rule and took him in fantasy.

 

[SanduskyCav]

I really hope Jose’s best ball isnt behind him. Broke my one rule and took him in fantasy.

First 2 series of last season he was 1/15 at the plate, first 3 he was 2/25.

He’s a slow starter. He will be fine.