Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Cavatt]

What has Bamba done to be better than Sexton? In a redraft Bamba goes after Sexton.

 

[inliner311]

What has Bamba done to be better than Sexton? In a redraft Bamba goes after Sexton.

I think it would be crazy to trade Sexton at this point. I think people are just disappointed that we are getting blown out right now after looking decent to start the season.

Beilein is showing his lack of experience in the NBA. Other coaches are seeing his lack of adjustments and are exposing him right now. Butler was going to defend the best player tonight from PG to SF. The problem is Garland and Cedi aren't making teams pay for mismatch on defense. Beilein isn't matching up to best defend and attack a team that are playing wings over guards. Not having a good scoring wing doesn't help the situation.

 

[Cavatt]

I think it would be crazy to trade Sexton at this point. I think people are just disappointed that we are getting blown out right now after looking decent to start the season.

Beilein is showing his lack of experience in the NBA. Other coaches are seeing his lack of adjustments and are exposing him right now. Butler was going to defend the best player tonight from PG to SF. The problem is Garland and Cedi aren't making teams pay for mismatch on defense. Beilein isn't matching up to best defend and attack a team that are playing wings over guards. Not having a good scoring wing doesn't help the situation.

Great post.

Teams always have periods of regression when installing a system. People are comparing a very good offense and defense that is many years old and added one of the best 2 way players in the leave to a brand new one young guys aren't consistently executing.

 

[NMCav]

What has Bamba done to be better than Sexton? In a redraft Bamba goes after Sexton.

Nothing that's why I said Magic would have to add. Guards a dime-a-dozen right now. Bigs who can shoot and protect the paint are rare. I wouldn't make the deal unless they added a sweetener like my post said. Which also said Sexton is better right now. Sexton is a SG in a PG body. That's not a good combination. This upcoming draft is full of mainly guards. We have KPJ who can play SG. Windler coming back.

People think Sexton is improving but is he? Improving defense slightly has made his 3 point percentage drop. Sure he's better then the worst defender in the NBA now. Sure he can score. His shooting hasn't been as good this year as last year. He's still no where near league average as a passer or a decision maker. He has a lot of warts. Only thing he does at a above average clip is score. Yes that's a good skill to have if you can also create or your a 6-5 player who can defend other shooting guards. Dude is Monta Ellis or Lou Williams. Not really someone you build around. Unless it's your 2nd unit and will he take to being the new Clarkson when Clarkson leaves?

 

[DirtyDan]

Ideally, Garland and one out of KPJ, Windler, or Cedi are your starting backcourt. All of those guys have better size to defend wing players than Sexton.

Sexton needs to be on a team that doesn't require the point guard to create for other guys like Denver or LAL. Collin would excel in a role similar to what Kyrie had here with LBJ. Either in that specific scenario or coming off the bench.

Drafting Garland sealed Sexton's fate, he's never going to be given the opportunity to develop as a point guard here. It's better for Sexton's development to focus on defense and playing off the ball.

Sexton is still an important asset and they should start him until they find their shooting guard. You need pieces like Sexton to trade for an all-star. Sexton is also a perfect fit for the culture JB is trying to cultivate, really no reason to toss Sexton to the curve.

 

[inliner311]

Nothing that's why I said Magic would have to add. Guards a dime-a-dozen right now. Bigs who can shoot and protect the paint are rare. I wouldn't make the deal unless they added a sweetener like my post said. Which also said Sexton is better right now. Sexton is a SG in a PG body. That's not a good combination. This upcoming draft is full of mainly guards. We have KPJ who can play SG. Windler coming back.

People think Sexton is improving but is he? Improving defense slightly has made his 3 point percentage drop. Sure he's better then the worst defender in the NBA now. Sure he can score. His shooting hasn't been as good this year as last year. He's still no where near league average as a passer or a decision maker. He has a lot of warts. Only thing he does at a above average clip is score. Yes that's a good skill to have if you can also create or your a 6-5 player who can defend other shooting guards. Dude is Monta Ellis or Lou Williams. Not really someone you build around. Unless it's your 2nd unit and will he take to being the new Clarkson when Clarkson leaves?

I think he would be fine to lead the second unit if he gets to stay a starter. Start him and sub him out early then bring him in to lead the second unit. Like most six man, he probably will close out games too.

I actually think Sexton and Garlands roles will be more defined by who they draft in 2020. Garland might end up being the person to lead the second unit if we draft a wing or PF with good vision and ball handling. Sexton then can defend PGs without the PG duties on offense.

 

[Pioneer10]

At least he doesn't have to play Jimmy Butler every night

 

[pinoycavsfan]

Cant trade or move sexton to the bench when garland has not proven himself. So far, collin has been the better player and he should be the one starting and adjusting the game plan for.

 

[LeeBuckeye]

At least he doesn't have to play Jimmy Butler every night

Exactly, Jimmy is a top 3 two way player with size and strength and a Miami Heat beatdown especially in Miami seem awfully familiar and almost expected on a yearly basis. The backcourt’s ceiling was always dependent on Garland’s ability to create/score and stretch the defense and he’s struggling mightily with his shot. Despite all of that Sexton has to look at the stat sheet and be embarrassed he got zero assists.

 

[daytripper]

Bamba and a sweetener for Sexton would make sense. Fultz as the SG and Sexton as the PG would alleviate both players weaknesses. Fultz has size and playmaking but lacks a shot. Sexton can score but is essentially a SG in a PGs body. But I wouldn't do it straight up and wonder about Medicals. We would need more but it could be a win win type deal. Keep in mind Bamba almost went to Michigan and Beilein recruited him hard. Bamba fits what Beilein wants in his C if he can stay healthy.

No thanks. Bamba has absolutely no motor. That is not the type of big we need. There will be better players available in the next draft who have some length and play much harder.

 

[Pioneer10]

Exactly, Jimmy is a top 3 two way player with size and strength and a Miami Heat beatdown especially in Miami seem awfully familiar and almost expected on a yearly basis. The backcourt’s ceiling was always dependent on Garland’s ability to create/score and stretch the defense and he’s struggling mightily with his shot. Despite all of that Sexton has to look at the stat sheet and be embarrassed he got zero assists.

Yeah it's really hard for me to root for him with the way he plays: screaming don't be like Clarkson is not something I want to do with a young player

 

[Cavatt]

Exactly, Jimmy is a top 3 two way player with size and strength and a Miami Heat beatdown especially in Miami seem awfully familiar and almost expected on a yearly basis. The backcourt’s ceiling was always dependent on Garland’s ability to create/score and stretch the defense and he’s struggling mightily with his shot. Despite all of that Sexton has to look at the stat sheet and be embarrassed he got zero assists.

Yeah it's not like we won any there when we had Lebron even.

yeah Sexton needs to pass more, but no one is hitting 3's right now and it is a big problem. There is no room to penetrate and you have 3 guys draped on you at all time in the paint. Even Collin is struggling. Love hit some wide open ones last night, but Miami just shot lights out while no one could hit one for the cavs. The floor is so small right now.

IF Windler goes into the starting lineup for Cedi, I would not mind.

 

[LeeBuckeye]

Yeah it's not like we won any there when we had Lebron even.

yeah Sexton needs to pass more, but no one is hitting 3's right now and it is a big problem. There is no room to penetrate and you have 3 guys draped on you at all time in the paint. Even Collin is struggling. Love hit some wide open ones last night, but Miami just shot lights out while no one could hit one for the cavs. The floor is so small right now.

IF Windler goes into the starting lineup for Cedi, I would not mind.

I'm not sure there is a general Cavs thread for the year but possible lineup changes happening is pretty interesting in the Chris Fedor article from last night.

Cleveland Cavaliers considering starting lineup change. What could it be?

Head coach John Beilein felt his team needed a change. It could be a permanent one.

www.cleveland.com

On Wednesday night, following another horrible start that buried the Cavaliers deep into a hole they couldn’t crawl out of, Beilein benched Darius Garland, Collin Sexton and Cedi Osman -- three usual starters who are key pieces of this growing nucleus.

“We just lost people,” Beilein said. “There’s an effort area there. There’s also a communication area. You can’t have quiet dudes out there playing defense and assuming we all can read each other’s mind. If you’re making a mistake then make a mistake because you are talking about the mistake. Duncan Robinson can really shoot -- breaking news. How the heck do you get 12 shots off when that’s the deal? So sit down and watch. He didn’t get shots off again, right? They didn’t run anything different. We didn’t. Just an attention to detail that needed to be done.”

The Cavs didn’t change any schemes. They didn’t run any new, fancy plays. All that changed: the personnel, which led to a better (this is a relative term) second half. The offensive rating increased from 92.3 to 102.0. Still not great by any means, but signs that the switch had a positive effect. The defensive rating improved drastically, going from 144.2 to 98.0. According to NBA.com stats, Clarkson -- Sexton’s sub -- was the best on defense in the second half. Dellavedova, who entered for Garland, was close behind.

The Garland-Sexton combo hasn’t fared well in 308 minutes together. They have an offensive rating of 102.6 and a defensive rating of 109.4. With those two young guards on the floor, the Cavs are being outscored by 6.8 points per 100 possessions.

 

[Kiddo]

I think the Sexton Garland combo can work as starters if Garland is making his shots. Until then there will be lots of questions.

 

[ShawnKempIsMyDad]

I just don't know what people expect from a kid this young. At this point, he looks pretty great. He's some growing to do, but you win games by scoring points. He can score. With proper coaching, the decision making and defense will come as long as he keeps up the effort level he's shown this far.

I see him as a chip on his shoulder guy. People have doubted him since he's entered the league, but he looks pretty decent thus far. These types are often hard workers that become great pieces. If he only ends up a 6th man of the year type of player, is that so bad? Those are the glue players a team needs to win. I see the 6th man role as his floor at this point, he could be significantly better.