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Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

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What Resolves First?

  • Collin Sexton's Restricted Free Agency

    Votes: 19 38.8%
  • Baker Mayfield's Tenure with the Browns

    Votes: 30 61.2%

  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
Looking at some of Collin's numbers....

He's shooting a little more this year, 24.8 field goal attempts per 100 possessions compared to 23.0 last year.

His shooting percentage is up from 43.0 to 44.0%, but his 3-point percentage has dropped from 40.2% to 30.2%, which is pretty steep. His 2-point percentage is up from 44.0% to 47.9%.

He's also drawing more fouls, 5.9 free throws per 100 possesions against 4.9 last year. Basically his 3-point shooting rate is about the same but he's shooting more 2-pointers.

Sexton's average shot distance has decreased from 13.5 to 11.0 feet since last year. From 0-3 feet his percentage of shot attempts increased from 26.6 to 33.4%. He's taking it to the rim more. His percentage of shots from 3-10 feet (mostly floaters) is up from 13.6 to 21.1%. So nearly 55% of his shots are within 10' of the rim.

His percentage in the 10-16' range has dropped from 17.0 to 14.3%. Fewer mid-range jumpers. His percentage from 16 feet plus has dropped precipitously, from 22.1% to only 6.4%.

Sexton is transitioning from a jump shooter to a slasher. His shot percentage from further than 10' is down nearly 50% from last year.

His steals are up from 0.8 to 1.4 per 100 possessions, an increase of 75%. His turnovers have dropped from 3.5 to 2.9 per 100. So there's some good stuff going on. Steals are up, turnovers are down, shooting percentage is up, and he's drawing more fouls. His turnover rate is in the 85th percentile for his position. Garland's is in the 2nd percentile; he's a turnover machine compared to Sexton.

But he's not a great offensive player. His points per shot attempt (103.3 per 100 shots) is the third worst on the Cavs, better than only Garland and Delly. Love, Clarkson and Nance are all north of 115.

He's awful at passing, ranking in the 2nd percentile in assist percentage for his position. He's basically the worst passer in the league for a point guard.

Is he a better player than last year? He's different, more of a slasher, less of a jump shooter. They seem to be transitioning him from a point guard to a shooting guard. I'm not sure if a 6'2" shooting guard who mainly attacks the rim can carve out a great career in this league, but Sexton has some things going for him.

One, he's effective in the open floor, beating opponents to the rim with sheer speed.

Two, he can get by his man in the half-court game and is developing an effective floater to increase his ability to finish without getting his shot blocked. He's also drawing more fouls.

Three, he has demonstrated that he can knock down the 3-pointer. He hit 40% last year on 296 attempts. That wasn't an accident. If Sexton can get back to being a high 30's or 40% shooter on 3's he could be an effective offensive player who can burn you from downtown, in the open floor, and in the half-court on blow-bys.

That being said, I think the Cavs' future at the 2-guard is Kevin Porter, Jr. They may end up with a three guard rotation of Sexton, Garland, and Porter after Clarkson moves on. That wouldn't be bad.
 
Not that anyone here cares, but if they trade Sexton before the end of next season, I’m out for the next couple years unless they win the lotto or something. Trading away your best young player (as of today. I know this isn’t saying much) who has the talent to do the most valuable thing in the NBA (score the ball) is so fucking counter intuitive. Because no one in the building had enough foresight or creativity to give him a defined role or figure that out?

they’re almost guaranteed to take a loss on him. In terms of assets.

pathetic
 
Not that anyone here cares, but if they trade Sexton before the end of next season, I’m out for the next couple years unless they win the lotto or something. Trading away your best young player (as of today. I know this isn’t saying much) who has the talent to do the most valuable thing in the NBA (score the ball) is so fucking counter intuitive. Because no one in the building had enough foresight or creativity to give him a defined role or figure that out?

they’re almost guaranteed to take a loss on him. In terms of assets.

pathetic
Best young player? A point guard that can't make a pass to save his own life? I have my doubts
 
Put him on the bench. Please. It's time. Give the offense some more spacing. Put Clarkson in the starting lineup.

Let Colin play with a bunch of dudes who will set screens and play hard. Henson, Delly, Nance, KPJ.

Either that or you bench Garland, Thompson, and Love. Garland because its killing his development, and he's got the higher upside of the two.

Love and Thompson because they quite fucking clearly don't like Colin Sexton and hate playing with him.
 
Put him on the bench. Please. It's time. Give the offense some more spacing. Put Clarkson in the starting lineup.

Let Colin play with a bunch of dudes who will set screens and play hard. Henson, Delly, Nance, KPJ.

Either that or you bench Garland, Thompson, and Love. Garland because its killing his development, and he's got the higher upside of the two.

Love and Thompson because they quite fucking clearly don't like Colin Sexton and hate playing with him.

I don't think TT dislikes Sexton. He seems to be able to screen well for Sexton and can get him open shots.

Love on the other hand might dislike him but they had decent chemistry last year and Beilein has never implemented any of the plays Sexton and Love use to run last year. Pick and pop was a staple play for them and they never run it at all now.
 
Not that anyone here cares, but if they trade Sexton before the end of next season, I’m out for the next couple years unless they win the lotto or something. Trading away your best young player (as of today. I know this isn’t saying much) who has the talent to do the most valuable thing in the NBA (score the ball) is so fucking counter intuitive. Because no one in the building had enough foresight or creativity to give him a defined role or figure that out?

they’re almost guaranteed to take a loss on him. In terms of assets.

pathetic

I think Sexton and Garland probably don't end up being #1 option type players for this team. To trade or even bench one of them now would be jumping the gun. I don't think it's out of the question that Sexton might end up the better pairing if we are able to draft a #1 option player. I think the team is taking the right approach with them by reducing the minutes they play together without making any demotions or promotions to the starting lineup.

I think being a starter means alot more to the player than it actually means to how and when they play. Both Garland and Sexton might end up being "starters" for this team because they end up being top 3 best players on the team. That doesn't mean one doesn't assume the role of what a six man does or leads the second unit.
 
After watching Garland and Sexton against the Raptors last night it's hard not to like both of them. Sexton was getting to the paint with ease and either knocking down floaters or using a hesitation move to get a layup. Gasol couldn't stop him. Collin was 10-for-15 on 2-point shots.

Garland had it all going on - passing, 3-pointers, and even a couple of layups when opponents thought he was going to pass.

If Sexton can get back to being a 40% shooter from deep and Garland can develop a consistent floater like Sexton and Delly they both could carve up offenses.
 
After watching Garland and Sexton against the Raptors last night it's hard not to like both of them. Sexton was getting to the paint with ease and either knocking down floaters or using a hesitation move to get a layup. Gasol couldn't stop him. Collin was 10-for-15 on 2-point shots.

Garland had it all going on - passing, 3-pointers, and even a couple of layups when opponents thought he was going to pass.

If Sexton can get back to being a 40% shooter from deep and Garland can develop a consistent floater like Sexton and Delly they both could carve up offenses.

I think last night you could also see how they could wear down the other team if one of them was always on the floor. I've always thought that was the formula for 2 small guards, just push the pace and take advantage of teams that won't be able to keep up with them for 48 minutes. If Beilein throws them both on the floor for a couple minutes before the other team can get a new rotational group out there, I think that now becomes something you can build around.

Having them playing 30+ minutes together on a very straight forward rotational pattern makes it alot easier for the opposing team to game plan for but if Beilein can match up when they play together with the smaller backcourt for the other team and when they might get tired, I think the flaw of a small backcourt get greatly reduced.
 
you do not trade your young players you keep them you get rid of the veterans that do not fit.

You'd think that would make a lot of sense, but this is the Cavs. They were just waiting for Garland to have a 20 pt game to trade Sexton.

4 assists last night in 31 min. Garland had 5 in 37 min.
 
You'd think that would make a lot of sense, but this is the Cavs. They were just waiting for Garland to have a 20 pt game to trade Sexton.

4 assists last night in 31 min. Garland had 5 in 37 min.
Garland had 21 against the Bucks tho. I’m sure that’s not the reason.
 
I'm ok with trading Sexton in the right deal. I feel like I play pick up hoops with lesser versions of Collin all the time. It's hard to want to move with-out the ball, play defense and generally do the right thing on the floor when there's one guy who can't let the ball go. What will end up happening is he will hold other guys back unless they can work him into a better role.

I'm also OK if they keep him. Assuming they do the Cavs would be wise to move on from Clarkson, because Jordan is playing Sexton's eventual role.

That said, Sexton and expiring contracts is probably the Cavs best trade chip, just not sure what you can actually get for it. Maybe better to hold on to him if only because the market isn't strong enough to get you the value you need.
 
I'm ok with trading Sexton in the right deal. I feel like I play pick up hoops with lesser versions of Collin all the time. It's hard to want to move with-out the ball, play defense and generally do the right thing on the floor when there's one guy who can't let the ball go. What will end up happening is he will hold other guys back unless they can work him into a better role.

I'm also OK if they keep him. Assuming they do the Cavs would be wise to move on from Clarkson, because Jordan is playing Sexton's eventual role.

That said, Sexton and expiring contracts is probably the Cavs best trade chip, just not sure what you can actually get for it. Maybe better to hold on to him if only because the market isn't strong enough to get you the value you need.

To this point I don't think the Cavs have done a good job at developing Sexton into a better passer. Larry Drew at least had the vets run plays with Sexton. Pick and pop with Love was something that seem to work well for both of them. Beilein to this point hasn't installed any plays for Sexton or even Garland to run. You might see some plays at the very start of the game but they never seem to go back to them or reuse them in another game. To this point all we see are just sets where the decision making is left up to the ball handler and finding the open man. Teams have bread and butter plays that they constantly run and aren't completely reliant on a system.

Even with LeBron who had amazing vision, they would run plays just to make sure certain guys would stay involved.
 
I'm ok with trading Sexton in the right deal. I feel like I play pick up hoops with lesser versions of Collin all the time. It's hard to want to move with-out the ball, play defense and generally do the right thing on the floor when there's one guy who can't let the ball go. What will end up happening is he will hold other guys back unless they can work him into a better role.

I'm also OK if they keep him. Assuming they do the Cavs would be wise to move on from Clarkson, because Jordan is playing Sexton's eventual role.

That said, Sexton and expiring contracts is probably the Cavs best trade chip, just not sure what you can actually get for it. Maybe better to hold on to him if only because the market isn't strong enough to get you the value you need.
What the hell is wrong with you people ? Trade sexton
I play pick up games with players similar to collin?
He is 20 years old. Jesus h let him develop
 
What the hell is wrong with you people ? Trade sexton
I play pick up games with players similar to collin?
He is 20 years old. Jesus h let him develop
sometimes its better to sell high
 

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