Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[weepinwillow]

the exact same reason why i think guys who says "sexton doesn't rotate the ball" or "tunnel vision" will be proven wrong. there are several articles already about sexton's patience to watch game film. that is a discipline a lot of players don't have. i'm not going to be surprised if sexton develops into something like a chauncy billups play maker.

I can only speak for myself here, but I see Collin's work ethic and desire to make weaknesses strengths and I love him for it, and it's probably the number 1 reason I prefer him to Garland if we are seriously looking at splitting the two up.. and I also see Collin in year 3 as a starting G who handles a large bulk of the ballhandling and still misses the right play way more than I'd like him to.
My HOPE is when he's watching the Denver game over and over, it's not just to figure out how to attack the defense w/the ball, but how to attack it without the ball so he can trust his teammates more.
"sexton doesn't rotate the ball" or "tunnel vision" are both legit concerns about his game now that we are in season 3 of him. We are staring at a huge bet on him "getting" that part of the game down. Likely this offseason they go to extend him, so this second half of the season, you really want to see Sexton swinging the ball in the offense, looking at the weakside of the offense when he penetrates, and shedding some of the tunnel vision he has played with.
In my mind, the only two weaknesses in his game is his defense and his court vision, which isn't surprising because those two items speak to a general feel for the game beyond what you are going to do with the ball. Good defense is effort and movement, great defense is effort, movement, anticipation and understanding. Good court vision is passing to the open man for the assist, great court vision is moving the ball in the offense and anticipating when a guy will become open off movement because you have great understanding of how the defense will react to you, to the cutter, and to the ball.
Anyway, I think Collin can figure both those things out to some level. His willingness to work on his own separates him from other prospects who may be more gifted.

 

["MVP"]

I can only speak for myself here, but I see Collin's work ethic and desire to make weaknesses strengths and I love him for it, and it's probably the number 1 reason I prefer him to Garland if we are seriously looking at splitting the two up.. and I also see Collin in year 3 as a starting G who handles a large bulk of the ballhandling and still misses the right play way more than I'd like him to.
My HOPE is when he's watching the Denver game over and over, it's not just to figure out how to attack the defense w/the ball, but how to attack it without the ball so he can trust his teammates more.
"sexton doesn't rotate the ball" or "tunnel vision" are both legit concerns about his game now that we are in season 3 of him. We are staring at a huge bet on him "getting" that part of the game down. Likely this offseason they go to extend him, so this second half of the season, you really want to see Sexton swinging the ball in the offense, looking at the weakside of the offense when he penetrates, and shedding some of the tunnel vision he has played with.
In my mind, the only two weaknesses in his game is his defense and his court vision, which isn't surprising because those two items speak to a general feel for the game beyond what you are going to do with the ball. Good defense is effort and movement, great defense is effort, movement, anticipation and understanding. Good court vision is passing to the open man for the assist, great court vision is moving the ball in the offense and anticipating when a guy will become open off movement because you have great understanding of how the defense will react to you, to the cutter, and to the ball.
Anyway, I think Collin can figure both those things out to some level. His willingness to work on his own separates him from other prospects who may be more gifted.

I agree with you. But most of the Cavs are so passive offensively outside of Sexton (and maybe Cedi lol). I respect his desire to always be in attack mode and make things happen given our group. It single-handedly kept us in the game against Houston.

I'd be curious to see what Sexton would look like next to better offensive talent. Would he defer more and trust his guys more?

 

[weepinwillow]

I agree with you. But most of the Cavs are so passive offensively outside of Sexton (and maybe Cedi lol). I respect his desire to always be in attack mode and make things happen given our group. It single-handedly kept us in the game against Houston.

I'd be curious to see what Sexton would look like next to better offensive talent. Would he defer more and trust his guys more?

Yeah, good question. I mean, as a rookie he didn't give a crap about Kevin Love being on the floor with him, and that dude just went to 4 straight finals and multiple All Star games. However last season and some of this season, Collin's shown the ability and temperament to defer at times. It's just about consistency in doing it now. Not to beat a dead horse, but KPjr would have really put things into the right focus for the Cavs rebuild.
Someone pointed out maybe it would make sense to move Garland to the bench and put guys in better roles. JB is effectively doing that with Sexton now, he pulls him early to let Collin lead the 2nd unit. Of course, the issue is, who do you bring in to play the other W spot. Maybe Windler? Doesn't seem ready to handle the defensive assignments and the other option is Cedi right now (Cedi for Garland seems like a horrible swap).
Anyway, you've won a few games in a row, may as well stick with your wife for the time being.

 

[Derek]

Did Kyle Lowry "just have it"? Well, it doesn't seem like it.

I used to think Sexton had very little feel, but he does have a roomba like quality where he bounces around and learns the room finally. He's methodical and knows what to work on

Lowry is kind of the opposite of Sexton though.

Lowry had a great feel for the game from day 1, but couldn't shoot a lick until many years into his career. He always had the ability to find his teammates and be an effective initiator on offense.

 

["MVP"]

Lowry is kind of the opposite of Sexton though.

Lowry had a great feel for the game from day 1, but couldn't shoot a lick until many years into his career. He always had the ability to find his teammates and be an effective initiator on offense.

Off topic, I recall Chris Grant signed Kyle Lowry to an offer sheet as one of his first moves as GM. I remember thinking, "hey, maybe this Grant guy's not half bad!"

 

[Man Called X]

Off topic, I recall Chris Grant signed Kyle Lowry to an offer sheet as one of his first moves as GM. I remember thinking, "hey, maybe this Grant guy's not half bad!"

The best part of that whole scenario was Lowry speaking out against Dan Gilbert because of the Letter, saying he'd never play for an owner like that, to signing an offer sheet with us 2 weeks later.

 

[Cavatt]

Lowry is kind of the opposite of Sexton though.

Lowry had a great feel for the game from day 1, but couldn't shoot a lick until many years into his career. He always had the ability to find his teammates and be an effective initiator on offense.

Lowry was considered a combo guard for a long time who could make some passes and then slowly he was just a really good pg. He was not an orchestrator even when the Cavs made him a RFA offer.

Collin is ahead of Lowry as far as quality of player at the same age. I don't even think their skills are really comparable. I think their mindset about getting better is and that is why I compared them.

I personally don't think Collin has a bad feel. You can see his passing touch come out sometimes. I think it is immature not non-existent.

 

[LeeBuckeye]

I agree with you. But most of the Cavs are so passive offensively outside of Sexton (and maybe Cedi lol). I respect his desire to always be in attack mode and make things happen given our group. It single-handedly kept us in the game against Houston.

I'd be curious to see what Sexton would look like next to better offensive talent. Would he defer more and trust his guys more?

Sexton NEEDS to score at a high clip if the Cavs have any hope of winning a game on any given night. It's the organization's decision on what they want to stress more but when jobs are on the line, I can see why JBB would want to maximize that strength even if it hurts his development (benching for bad plays or bad reads but getting blown out). Sexton's problem might be that he's more discouraged with every wide open bricked three by his teammates. Just needs to trust the process and live with the results. It's encouraging to see him and Garland building chemistry as Sexton is less bullish on getting the inbound pass when Garland is on the court.

 

[Derek]

Lowry was considered a combo guard for a long time who could make some passes and then slowly he was just a really good pg. He was not an orchestrator even when the Cavs made him a RFA offer.

Collin is ahead of Lowry as far as quality of player at the same age. I don't even think their skills are really comparable. I think their mindset about getting better is and that is why I compared them.

I personally don't think Collin has a bad feel. You can see his passing touch come out sometimes. I think it is immature not non-existent.

I guess I don't agree with those who called Lowry a combo guard coming out of Villanova.

I always saw him as a good orchestrator who just finally broke through when he figured out his jumper.

 

[CavsFan07]

I guess I don't agree with those who called Lowry a combo guard coming out of Villanova.

I always saw him as a good orchestrator who just finally broke through when he figured out his jumper.

First year at Villanova:

7.5 PPG, 2.0 APG

Second year at Villanova:

11.0 PPG, 3.7 APG



He averaged just over 3 assists per game in each of his first 3 seasons in the NBA

4th year averaged 4.5 assists per game

5th year averaged 6.7 assists per game and has stayed around or above that clip ever since.

 

[The Oi]

Lowry signed an offer letter with the Cavs? Where the hell was I?


And what was @Damage probably having done while he dated a girl who looked like which NBA PG?

@Deezus

 

[Derek]

First year at Villanova:

7.5 PPG, 2.0 APG

Second year at Villanova:

11.0 PPG, 3.7 APG



He averaged just over 3 assists per game in each of his first 3 seasons in the NBA

4th year averaged 4.5 assists per game

5th year averaged 6.7 assists per game and has stayed around or above that clip ever since.

That doesn't contradict anything I said.

 

[Cavatt]

I guess I don't agree with those who called Lowry a combo guard coming out of Villanova.

I always saw him as a good orchestrator who just finally broke through when he figured out his jumper.

Not exactly a crazy assist guy. He was averaging fewer assists per 36 than Darius is now. Do you think Darius is a true pg?

When we talked about signing him it was always, "he's not a great assist guy, but his defense is great and he can score and his shooting is coming along."

I remember talking about him as a combo guard, but I could be mistaken.

 

[Derek]

Not exactly a crazy assist guy. He was averaging fewer assists per 36 than Darius is now. Do you think Darius is a true pg?

When we talked about signing him it was always, "he's not a great assist guy, but his defense is great and he can score and his shooting is coming along."

Lowry just didn't play a ton and played in much a slower time. Look at his assists per 100 possessions. After his first full year, he never dropped below 8.7

Collin is currently at a career-high 5.8

Maybe Collin can improve his playmaking, but Lowry isn't the comp to make.

 

[Cavatt]

Lowry just didn't play a ton and played in much a slower time. Look at his assists per 100 possessions. After his first full year, he never dropped below 8.7

Collin is currently at a career-high 5.8

Maybe Collin can improve his playmaking, but Lowry isn't the comp to make.

Ok, Kawhi Leonard didn't average more assists per 100 poss than Collin until he was 28

I think Lowry improved his assist game, but you say that if you don't look at the first 2 years he played and adjust for pace I am completely wrong.